European power prices fall below zero with green power boom

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European power prices fall below zero with green power boom
Abundant clean power generation needs EVs and other consumption to even things out


Electricity prices across Europe are set to fall below zero this weekend as the continent experiences a surge of summer winds combined with the peak season for solar generation.
The sub-zero prices are a preview of what’s to come for European power markets if a flood of planned renewable power production isn’t met with a shift in demand. The hope is that eventually larger electric car fleets, smarter grids and better battery technology will catch up, but for now the mismatch is a headache for policy makers and companies.*
The risk is that a prolonged slump in prices could undermine the case for future investments, add costs for consumers and waste energy that could be used to cut demand for polluting alternatives.

Data from Epex Spot SE on Friday show electricity prices for certain hours of Saturday are negative in nearly a dozen countries including the UK, Germany, the Netherlands and France. That’s likely to continue into Sunday when wind power production is set to ramp up further in northern continental Europe and Britain. *

Negative prices aren’t new, but are happening more frequently this summer after Europeans added a record amount of solar panels to the power grid last year to cut demand for expensive natural gas. The new production helped the EU hit a milestone earlier this summer when monthly solar power surpassed electricity generation from coal for the first time.*

With the solar build-out set to break records every year for the rest of the decade as panel prices plunge, the only way to address negative pricing is to make power consumption smarter.*
“Negative pricing is an important signal in the electricity system to incentivize flexibility and storage, which is critical to a modern-day electricity system,” said Tom Haddon, a consultant at Arcadis LLP based in Cardiff. “At the moment negative pricing is a bug, but it should be a feature.”

That means that power system will have to adapt. Soaring amounts of cheap renewable power that’s concentrated in just a few hours of the day can increase the cost for the power grid operators to balance the system. Ultimately those costs end up spread out on customers’ bills.

Ideally, when renewable power is abundant and prices low, households and businesses could ramp up consumption to help limit costs for grid operators to keep the system in balance and use as much green energy as possible.*
There are some early examples of that in practice already. Residential power supplier Octopus Energy in the UK has over 150,000 customers on contracts designed to enable EV drivers to charge up when electricity is cheapest and greenest, usually overnight.

Last week, Britain’s grid operator highlighted possible shifts in when people charge EVs or heat their homes with electric heat pumps as a key step. Large-scale demand, like from hydrogen electrolyzers could also one day ramp up production to store the energy to use later.
 
European power prices fall below zero with green power boom
Abundant clean power generation needs EVs and other consumption to even things out


Electricity prices across Europe are set to fall below zero this weekend as the continent experiences a surge of summer winds combined with the peak season for solar generation.
The sub-zero prices are a preview of what’s to come for European power markets if a flood of planned renewable power production isn’t met with a shift in demand. The hope is that eventually larger electric car fleets, smarter grids and better battery technology will catch up, but for now the mismatch is a headache for policy makers and companies.*
The risk is that a prolonged slump in prices could undermine the case for future investments, add costs for consumers and waste energy that could be used to cut demand for polluting alternatives.

Data from Epex Spot SE on Friday show electricity prices for certain hours of Saturday are negative in nearly a dozen countries including the UK, Germany, the Netherlands and France. That’s likely to continue into Sunday when wind power production is set to ramp up further in northern continental Europe and Britain. *

Negative prices aren’t new, but are happening more frequently this summer after Europeans added a record amount of solar panels to the power grid last year to cut demand for expensive natural gas. The new production helped the EU hit a milestone earlier this summer when monthly solar power surpassed electricity generation from coal for the first time.*

With the solar build-out set to break records every year for the rest of the decade as panel prices plunge, the only way to address negative pricing is to make power consumption smarter.*
“Negative pricing is an important signal in the electricity system to incentivize flexibility and storage, which is critical to a modern-day electricity system,” said Tom Haddon, a consultant at Arcadis LLP based in Cardiff. “At the moment negative pricing is a bug, but it should be a feature.”

That means that power system will have to adapt. Soaring amounts of cheap renewable power that’s concentrated in just a few hours of the day can increase the cost for the power grid operators to balance the system. Ultimately those costs end up spread out on customers’ bills.

Ideally, when renewable power is abundant and prices low, households and businesses could ramp up consumption to help limit costs for grid operators to keep the system in balance and use as much green energy as possible.*
There are some early examples of that in practice already. Residential power supplier Octopus Energy in the UK has over 150,000 customers on contracts designed to enable EV drivers to charge up when electricity is cheapest and greenest, usually overnight.

Last week, Britain’s grid operator highlighted possible shifts in when people charge EVs or heat their homes with electric heat pumps as a key step. Large-scale demand, like from hydrogen electrolyzers could also one day ramp up production to store the energy to use later.

Why does this cunt never supply links, does he think he's too precious to do so?
 
CounterPoint: High energy prices are deindustrializing Europe and driving a significant decline in quality of life.
 
Its not just the prices....it is also the unreliability of the power grid which can be extremely costly to industry.....sure the government can tell industry to shut down so that homes and businesses can retain power but every time this is done the society gets closer to losing that industry to countries which do run a reliable grid.
 
I doubt it will go anywhere because modern Germans are stupid but there is a push to restart 6 of the nuke plants.
 
European power prices fall below zero with green power boom
Abundant clean power generation needs EVs and other consumption to even things out


Electricity prices across Europe are set to fall below zero this weekend as the continent experiences a surge of summer winds combined with the peak season for solar generation.
The sub-zero prices are a preview of what’s to come for European power markets if a flood of planned renewable power production isn’t met with a shift in demand. The hope is that eventually larger electric car fleets, smarter grids and better battery technology will catch up, but for now the mismatch is a headache for policy makers and companies.*
The risk is that a prolonged slump in prices could undermine the case for future investments, add costs for consumers and waste energy that could be used to cut demand for polluting alternatives.

Data from Epex Spot SE on Friday show electricity prices for certain hours of Saturday are negative in nearly a dozen countries including the UK, Germany, the Netherlands and France. That’s likely to continue into Sunday when wind power production is set to ramp up further in northern continental Europe and Britain. *

Negative prices aren’t new, but are happening more frequently this summer after Europeans added a record amount of solar panels to the power grid last year to cut demand for expensive natural gas. The new production helped the EU hit a milestone earlier this summer when monthly solar power surpassed electricity generation from coal for the first time.*

With the solar build-out set to break records every year for the rest of the decade as panel prices plunge, the only way to address negative pricing is to make power consumption smarter.*
“Negative pricing is an important signal in the electricity system to incentivize flexibility and storage, which is critical to a modern-day electricity system,” said Tom Haddon, a consultant at Arcadis LLP based in Cardiff. “At the moment negative pricing is a bug, but it should be a feature.”

That means that power system will have to adapt. Soaring amounts of cheap renewable power that’s concentrated in just a few hours of the day can increase the cost for the power grid operators to balance the system. Ultimately those costs end up spread out on customers’ bills.

Ideally, when renewable power is abundant and prices low, households and businesses could ramp up consumption to help limit costs for grid operators to keep the system in balance and use as much green energy as possible.*
There are some early examples of that in practice already. Residential power supplier Octopus Energy in the UK has over 150,000 customers on contracts designed to enable EV drivers to charge up when electricity is cheapest and greenest, usually overnight.

Last week, Britain’s grid operator highlighted possible shifts in when people charge EVs or heat their homes with electric heat pumps as a key step. Large-scale demand, like from hydrogen electrolyzers could also one day ramp up production to store the energy to use later.

"The so-called Community Solar Project – a 4.4 megawatt solar field comprised of 14,000 solar panels and located in Scottsbluff, Nebraska – is not currently operating and will remain offline until repairs are completed, the Nebraska Public Power District (NPPD) confirmed to Fox News Digital. NPPD, the state-owned public utility, and energy firm GenPro Energy Solutions developed the project in 2020.

"The solar complex was destroyed by hail," Scottsbluff City Manager Kevin Spencer said in an interview. "They're assessing the damage, but it certainly looks destroyed to me.""

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ne...led-hail-underscoring-power-sources-fragility

People do not want or need electricity to have to depend on the weather, guy. :rolleyes:

I got a solution to your bullshit! Horse team generators! 20 horses per spar on 4 spars spinning a generator!

Yeah, get 'em going about 20 mph for awhile and there ya go!

'Lectricity! Much more eco-friendly than solar panels.
 
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European power prices fall below zero with green power boom
Abundant clean power generation needs EVs and other consumption to even things out


Electricity prices across Europe are set to fall below zero this weekend as the continent experiences a surge of summer winds combined with the peak season for solar generation.
The sub-zero prices are a preview of what’s to come for European power markets if a flood of planned renewable power production isn’t met with a shift in demand. The hope is that eventually larger electric car fleets, smarter grids and better battery technology will catch up, but for now the mismatch is a headache for policy makers and companies.*
The risk is that a prolonged slump in prices could undermine the case for future investments, add costs for consumers and waste energy that could be used to cut demand for polluting alternatives.

Data from Epex Spot SE on Friday show electricity prices for certain hours of Saturday are negative in nearly a dozen countries including the UK, Germany, the Netherlands and France. That’s likely to continue into Sunday when wind power production is set to ramp up further in northern continental Europe and Britain. *

Negative prices aren’t new, but are happening more frequently this summer after Europeans added a record amount of solar panels to the power grid last year to cut demand for expensive natural gas. The new production helped the EU hit a milestone earlier this summer when monthly solar power surpassed electricity generation from coal for the first time.*

With the solar build-out set to break records every year for the rest of the decade as panel prices plunge, the only way to address negative pricing is to make power consumption smarter.*
“Negative pricing is an important signal in the electricity system to incentivize flexibility and storage, which is critical to a modern-day electricity system,” said Tom Haddon, a consultant at Arcadis LLP based in Cardiff. “At the moment negative pricing is a bug, but it should be a feature.”

That means that power system will have to adapt. Soaring amounts of cheap renewable power that’s concentrated in just a few hours of the day can increase the cost for the power grid operators to balance the system. Ultimately those costs end up spread out on customers’ bills.

Ideally, when renewable power is abundant and prices low, households and businesses could ramp up consumption to help limit costs for grid operators to keep the system in balance and use as much green energy as possible.*
There are some early examples of that in practice already. Residential power supplier Octopus Energy in the UK has over 150,000 customers on contracts designed to enable EV drivers to charge up when electricity is cheapest and greenest, usually overnight.

Last week, Britain’s grid operator highlighted possible shifts in when people charge EVs or heat their homes with electric heat pumps as a key step. Large-scale demand, like from hydrogen electrolyzers could also one day ramp up production to store the energy to use later.

Hey moron! When electric prices go below zero, the producing company has to pay users to take the excess electricity. That is, they operate at a loss. This is then later made up by raising rates when there is a shortage of power. Worse, what do you do with that extra power if nobody will buy it?

This quote from the article shows the utter absurdity of solar and wind:
Ideally, when renewable power is abundant and prices low, households and businesses could ramp up consumption to help limit costs for grid operators to keep the system in balance and use as much green energy as possible.*

Rather than the grid being stable, when there is too much electricity, consumers are encouraged to waste power in any way they can. That's asinine. Better we have a stable grid that produces the power we need with adequate reserves, than an unstable grid reliant on the vagaries of weather. Solar and wind are stupid, and this article just proves it one more time.
 
Hey moron! When electric prices go below zero, the producing company has to pay users to take the excess electricity. That is, they operate at a loss. This is then later made up by raising rates when there is a shortage of power. Worse, what do you do with that extra power if nobody will buy it?

This quote from the article shows the utter absurdity of solar and wind:
Ideally, when renewable power is abundant and prices low, households and businesses could ramp up consumption to help limit costs for grid operators to keep the system in balance and use as much green energy as possible.*

Rather than the grid being stable, when there is too much electricity, consumers are encouraged to waste power in any way they can. That's asinine. Better we have a stable grid that produces the power we need with adequate reserves, than an unstable grid reliant on the vagaries of weather. Solar and wind are stupid, and this article just proves it one more time.

Germany used to send shed their excess power to countries like Poland, maybe still they do so.
 
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European power prices fall below zero with green power boom
Abundant clean power generation needs EVs and other consumption to even things out


Electricity prices across Europe are set to fall below zero this weekend as the continent experiences a surge of summer winds combined with the peak season for solar generation.
The sub-zero prices are a preview of what’s to come for European power markets if a flood of planned renewable power production isn’t met with a shift in demand. The hope is that eventually larger electric car fleets, smarter grids and better battery technology will catch up, but for now the mismatch is a headache for policy makers and companies.*
The risk is that a prolonged slump in prices could undermine the case for future investments, add costs for consumers and waste energy that could be used to cut demand for polluting alternatives.

Data from Epex Spot SE on Friday show electricity prices for certain hours of Saturday are negative in nearly a dozen countries including the UK, Germany, the Netherlands and France. That’s likely to continue into Sunday when wind power production is set to ramp up further in northern continental Europe and Britain. *

Negative prices aren’t new, but are happening more frequently this summer after Europeans added a record amount of solar panels to the power grid last year to cut demand for expensive natural gas. The new production helped the EU hit a milestone earlier this summer when monthly solar power surpassed electricity generation from coal for the first time.*

With the solar build-out set to break records every year for the rest of the decade as panel prices plunge, the only way to address negative pricing is to make power consumption smarter.*
“Negative pricing is an important signal in the electricity system to incentivize flexibility and storage, which is critical to a modern-day electricity system,” said Tom Haddon, a consultant at Arcadis LLP based in Cardiff. “At the moment negative pricing is a bug, but it should be a feature.”

That means that power system will have to adapt. Soaring amounts of cheap renewable power that’s concentrated in just a few hours of the day can increase the cost for the power grid operators to balance the system. Ultimately those costs end up spread out on customers’ bills.

Ideally, when renewable power is abundant and prices low, households and businesses could ramp up consumption to help limit costs for grid operators to keep the system in balance and use as much green energy as possible.*
There are some early examples of that in practice already. Residential power supplier Octopus Energy in the UK has over 150,000 customers on contracts designed to enable EV drivers to charge up when electricity is cheapest and greenest, usually overnight.

Last week, Britain’s grid operator highlighted possible shifts in when people charge EVs or heat their homes with electric heat pumps as a key step. Large-scale demand, like from hydrogen electrolyzers could also one day ramp up production to store the energy to use later.

You don't see a problem with that?
 
Germany used to send all their shed their excess power to countries like Poland, may still do so.

Poland and other adjoining countries have largely disconnected from the German grid because of that.

Loops and cracks: Excess German power strains Europe’s grids
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/loops-and-cracks-excess-german-power-strains-europes-grids-0

Poland's grid operator disconnects wind, solar facilities after oversupply of renewable energy
https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/...-solar-facilities-oversupply-renewable-energy

Wind and solar used in large quantities create an unstable grid, and no, a so-called "smart" grid can't fix that as Germany discovered. It is just one more reason to ditch both as power generation sources, and one more case of the Left turning something into shit.
 
How much income will states or countries lose if people no longer pay taxes on power?

How will that affect their socialization?

Will they have to raise taxes to pay for roads or free medical care?

So what you are saying is that people will probably have to pay more because they are paying less for energy.
 
How much income will states or countries lose if people no longer pay taxes on power?

How will that affect their socialization?

Will they have to raise taxes to pay for roads or free medical care?

So what you are saying is that people will probably have to pay more because they are paying less for energy.

That won't happen.
 
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