California stops teaching math in favor of politics.

[Into the Night]

They are expanding what they started a good thirty years ago when they converted history into religious indoctrination.....they still called what they were doing teaching history and they did everything they could to make sure that parents did not understand that they were no longer teaching history......it was deception.

...and science, and math, and English...

 

[Into the Night]

You typed a lot but I still don't see any information on how the actual meat-and-potatoes mathematics would be taught. Just a lot more complaints about how people think about stuff. That isn't the same.

As for modern people making change, that is the exact same complaints you heard back in the 1970's. It's always the same complaints of older people about younger people.

Meat and potatoes math would not be taught under this program. THAT's the problem.

 

[Into the Night]

You don't seem to know what math is per se.

You are describing yourself.

I asked how the actual teaching of the mathematical concepts would change and all you could do is parrot the usual right wing talking points.

No. These are LEFT WING talking points. This method of teaching math is LEFT WING, dummy.

Maybe if you had more math background?

He does. So do I. He has already demonstrated sufficient math background to calculate electrical loads and reactance, and to do a fair bit of accounting (including being able to make change and balance a checkbook).
I routinely use math in structural load calculations, electrical loads and reactance, resonance, thermal coupling, aerodynamic and hydrodynamic profile and parasitic drag calculations, weight and balance calculations, rate of reaction calculations, hydraulic and pneumatic loading calculations, molar to weight calculations, domain transfer calculations, unit conversions, and...yes... I can make change.

 

[Into the Night]

No one gave you a soap box to pontificate on math education.

JPP did.

Short of frantically googling, you wouldn't know how to take the derivative of a function if your life depended on it.

Short of frantically googling, you can't even do THAT, or even describe why you would want to do that.

But...no one is talking about YOU. Why would anyone want to talk about YOU??
The discussion is California schools no longer teaching math and substituting this political claptrap instead.

 

[Into the Night]

Its vague and thats purposeful. Here is just someof the leftist mumbo jumbo from the article in the OP

"The 1,000-page framework aims to put meaning-making at the center of the math classroom, promoting a focus on problem-solving and applying math knowledge to real-world situations. It also encourages teachers to make math culturally relevant and accessible for all students, especially students of color who have been traditionally marginalized in the subject.

“The United States has not been teaching math effectively or equitably. We are one of the lower-achieving countries … and California is below the national average in its achievement in mathematics,” said Linda Darling-Hammond, the president of the California State Board of Education, during the board’s meeting on Wednesday. “This is an area of great need, and change is imperative. The same old, same old will not get us to a new place.”"

What does "...make math culturally relevant and accessible for all stuednts..." mean? Math has no culture. Math is inaccessible if you dont go to school.

What does it mean to teach math "effectively and equitably" which the idiot Hammond claims hasnt happened in America. Has California always been below the national average in mathematical achievement? Its funny how teachers are never to blame for subpar performances of their students. If a plumber doesnt fix the leak in my faucet it MUST be because he didnt learn plumbing "effectively and equitably".

Math IS accessible if you don't go to school, it's just a LOT harder to learn it.
Now it's going to be the reverse in California. Kids will learn more math from their parents and self study then they ever will at school.

 

[Into the Night]

The math is still math.

How would you know? You deny and discard math.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Yep, California officially adopted a radical Leftist approach to math where "diversity," "racial justice," "inequity," and "cultural awareness," replace actually being able to do math and get correct answers...

California Adopts Controversial New Math Framework. Here’s What’s In It
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-lea...-new-math-framework-heres-whats-in-it/2023/07

So, California children going to public schools get fucked out of being functioning adults in a modern society for being good little proletariat serfs in a dictatorship. How fortunate for them.

I see nothing wrong with teaching students math by using math problems to be resolved, through using real life examples as factors in the math equations they are leaning how to resolve. It gives math meaning and makes it actually interesting! Like here is the real mission here- now go resolve it following these rules that are constants! If x represents this, and y represents that, it makes it much easier to understand what you are doing.

What could possibly be wrong with that? At least they know what they are trying to resolve, and how the equation is useful and is going to be used in situations they can relate to.

Equations are boring as fuck, if you don't try to give them importance or relevance!

So, either you are not thinking things out here too clearly, overthinking it, or just want to hear yourself bitching about something you really don't even understand in the first place!


Have you ever studied College Algebra or Calculus? BORING AS ALL FUCKING SHIT!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I see nothing wrong with teaching students math by using math problems to be resolved, through using real life examples as factors in the math equations they are leaning how to resolve. It gives math meaning and makes it actually interesting! Like here is the real mission here- now go resolve it following these rules that are constants! If x represents this, and y represents that, it makes it much easier to understand what you are doing.
What could possibly be wrong with that? At least they know what they are trying to resolve, and how the equation is useful and is going to be used in situations they can relate to.
Equations are boring as fuck, if you don't try to give them importance or relevance!
So, either you are not thinking things out here too clearly, overthinking it, or just want to hear yourself bitching about something you really don't even understand in the first place!
Have you ever studied College Algebra or Calculus? BORING AS ALL FUCKING SHIT!

I didn't take algebra in college, I started with trig and calculus. I also took a lot of statistics. I find statistics to be very useful, especially regression analysis. Calculus has its uses, but for most people it doesn't. Last time I used it was to do some stuff with advance rates in military conflict which required differential equations to get one for a complex waveform (a sine wave with varying amplitude and frequency). It has also been useful to me in understanding PID industrial controllers.

Regression is always useful. You take your data and plot it to get some idea of the way it will graph out. You then apply regression methods to the data to arrive at an equation for the line the data makes. With upper and lower control limits applied, it gives you the expected range and deviation of new data or can be applied to things like manufacturing times and other real-world applications.

Trig is useful occasionally to as a shortcut for laying out things like rafters. You can do it without it, but it can make the calculations faster if you know how to do them.

As for California's new math standards, what they are looking at doing is finding ways to get better test scores for losers--particularly minority ones--in their schools by using things like group teaching (eg., you put the dumb students with a smart kid who does the work and the group gets a single grade), that sort of thing. They want outcomes that are "fair and equal" rather than actually teaching the students the math. Thus, what you'll get is on paper the school looks good while turning out mostly functional illiterates and idiots.

 

[martin]

Yep, California officially adopted a radical Leftist approach to math where "diversity," "racial justice," "inequity," and "cultural awareness," replace actually being able to do math and get correct answers...

California Adopts Controversial New Math Framework. Here’s What’s In It
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-lea...-new-math-framework-heres-whats-in-it/2023/07

So, California children going to public schools get fucked out of being functioning adults in a modern society for being good little proletariat serfs in a dictatorship. How fortunate for them.

Sorry it's still about "being able to do math and get correct answers...".

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Sorry it's still about "being able to do math and get correct answers...".

No, it's about "fair and equal" as shown in textbooks like this one:

https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

But the book’s claim that a focus on producing the right answer promotes “white supremacy culture” alarmed some who question how inaccuracy in math could benefit students. And, partly in response to the controversy, California state board members recently recommended against incorporating the resource into a redesign of the state’s math program. (emphasis mine)
https://www.the74million.org/articl...culture-unfolds-in-unlikely-arena-math-class/

That is, the state was going to use that textbook, and ones like it, until they ran into a shitstorm of protests from parents and people in the state that saw through that bullshit.

This particular update (In California) has attracted extra attention, and controversy, because of perceived changes it makes to how “gifted” students progress — and because it pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade, de-emphasizes calculus, and applies social justice principles to math lessons. (emphasis mine)
https://sfstandard.com/2021/11/22/c...-sfs-lead-with-new-approach-to-teaching-math/

 

[Saint Guinefort]

You are describing yourself.

No. These are LEFT WING talking points. This method of teaching math is LEFT WING, dummy.

He does. So do I. He has already demonstrated sufficient math background to calculate electrical loads and reactance, and to do a fair bit of accounting (including being able to make change and balance a checkbook).
I routinely use math in structural load calculations, electrical loads and reactance, resonance, thermal coupling, aerodynamic and hydrodynamic profile and parasitic drag calculations, weight and balance calculations, rate of reaction calculations, hydraulic and pneumatic loading calculations, molar to weight calculations, domain transfer calculations, unit conversions, and...yes... I can make change.

And guess what! Electricians like you will continue to exist and function just fine! So you know how to do multiplication and division. Good for you.

My point is that math can be taught in any number of frames, but the core concepts will still be taught pretty much the same way. There isn't going to be a LGBTQ Ohm's Law anytime soon.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I didn't take algebra in college, I started with trig and calculus. I also took a lot of statistics. I find statistics to be very useful, especially regression analysis. Calculus has its uses, but for most people it doesn't. Last time I used it was to do some stuff with advance rates in military conflict which required differential equations to get one for a complex waveform (a sine wave with varying amplitude and frequency). It has also been useful to me in understanding PID industrial controllers.

Regression is always useful. You take your data and plot it to get some idea of the way it will graph out. You then apply regression methods to the data to arrive at an equation for the line the data makes. With upper and lower control limits applied, it gives you the expected range and deviation of new data or can be applied to things like manufacturing times and other real-world applications.

Trig is useful occasionally to as a shortcut for laying out things like rafters. You can do it without it, but it can make the calculations faster if you know how to do them.

As for California's new math standards, what they are looking at doing is finding ways to get better test scores for losers--particularly minority ones--in their schools by using things like group teaching (eg., you put the dumb students with a smart kid who does the work and the group gets a single grade), that sort of thing. They want outcomes that are "fair and equal" rather than actually teaching the students the math. Thus, what you'll get is on paper the school looks good while turning out mostly functional illiterates and idiots.

Fortunately for me, Data Processing Math was all that was required for the degree that I worked towards.

Because in High School I was yanked from my Algebra 1 class along with many other students like me, that were struggling to learn the Real Numbering System. We were referred to Remedial Math 1 and 2 and that was the limit of my math skills when I graduated High School.

So I actually never took High School Algebra until I took it as a prerequisite course in college. And I struggled just to pass it, and pretty much lost all interest in Math courses! DP math was eazy peazy like Geometry. SO I excelled in that, and started taking Computer Programing courses like ALC, Fortran etc. which launched my career in IT!

 

[Noking]

What California, in effect, has done is apply the tenants of Critical Pedagogy to math. That is, they have politicized math as a subject. That means that getting a politically correct answer is more important than getting a mathematically correct answer. Students will be asked more about how they feel about the lesson than about doing the math itself. Florida about two years ago, or so, banned from use a bunch of textbooks set up to do exactly what California is now doing.

Have you ever gone into say a fast food joint and paid with cash and the worker at the register can't make change? I have. The first couple times were stunners. I was shocked that the teenage girl (in each case for me) couldn't make change and I had to do it for her. One whined about why I couldn't just pay with a card like "normal people" (I wasn't so kind in response).

If a child graduates high school and can't balance a checkbook, can't make change, can't read a tape measure, or do other basic math skills what use are they to society?

OMG

 

[T. A. Gardner]

And guess what! Electricians like you will continue to exist and function just fine! So you know how to do multiplication and division. Good for you.

My point is that math can be taught in any number of frames, but the core concepts will still be taught pretty much the same way. There isn't going to be a LGBTQ Ohm's Law anytime soon.

I also know how to do trig and calculus. My point is, and was, that California is putting equality of outcomes ahead of learning how to get correct answers, or any answer at all.

 

[Into the Night]

And guess what! Electricians like you will continue to exist and function just fine! So you know how to do multiplication and division. Good for you.

My point is that math can be taught in any number of frames, but the core concepts will still be taught pretty much the same way. There isn't going to be a LGBTQ Ohm's Law anytime soon.

They will never get as far as Ohm's law.

 

[Into the Night]

Fortunately for me, Data Processing Math was all that was required for the degree that I worked towards.

Because in High School I was yanked from my Algebra 1 class along with many other students like me, that were struggling to learn the Real Numbering System. We were referred to Remedial Math 1 and 2 and that was the limit of my math skills when I graduated High School.

So I actually never took High School Algebra until I took it as a prerequisite course in college. And I struggled just to pass it, and pretty much lost all interest in Math courses! DP math was eazy peazy like Geometry. SO I excelled in that, and started taking Computer Programing courses like ALC, Fortran etc. which launched my career in IT!

Probably why you never learned statistical math.
Ya dumb illiterate lizard.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

They will never get as far as Ohm's law.

How would you know?

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Probably why you never learned statistical math.

People who DID learn it call it "statistics" not "statistical math".

 

[Into the Night]

How would you know?

RQAA. You really need to pay attention to the conversation.

 

[Into the Night]

People who DID learn it call it "statistics" not "statistical math".

You don't know statistical math. You deny and discard it. Playing semantics games is not going to help you.