It Can Take 10 Years to Break Even on an Electric Car

They are low-maintenance vehicles. There are many ways they save including all that time stopping for gas, getting oil changes, and normal ICE maintenance problems.
 
Volsrock's post is redacted on my account, but I think that I can still address the issue.

It simply doesn't [or didn't] matter if electric cars are more expensive and less efficient.
With seven or eight billion humans on this little planet,
we needed them to replace "ice" cars to salvage the environment.

It probably doesn't matter now
because it's probably too late
to keep the earth inhabitable for future generations of humans,
but it's something we needed to do and didn't
before our population exploded with irresponsible human procreation.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
If people want to spend their money on that crap then more power to them
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Fine. Unfortunately, government mandates and subsidies are the problem. In my area, businesses and shopping centers are REQUIRED to install charging stations for EVs at their own expense. That means taking a bunch of stalls out of service and going through the expense of adding the electrical service and installing the chargers.

That stuff ain't cheap.

Worse, places like the SDTC (formerly California) are mandating EVs and BANNING internal combustion engines. That's in all vehicles. This in a territory that doesn't bother to generate it's own power much.

The ban includes all vehicles, including cars, trucks, semi-trucks, lawnmowers, tractors, etc.
That means NO trucking into, out of, or through the SDTC.

They'll be left sitting in the dark with no way to charge their EV and gazing at their own navel.
 
Nordberg said:
They are low-maintenance vehicles. There are many ways they save including all that time stopping for gas, getting oil changes, and normal ICE maintenance problems.
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They are NOT low maintenance vehicles! They get more recalls than any other type of vehicle, AND any maintenance MUST be done using specialized tools and equipment in specially equipped shops (read: DEALER repair for everything!).

I'll gladly 'waste my time' stopping for gas (a few minutes once a week). I change my own oil twice a year. That takes about 10 minutes each. The normal ICE maintenance problems are no different than normal EV maintenance problems. You still have to wash the car, replace worn tires, etc.

Oh...and if I DO have to fix something on my car (pretty rare, since I take care of them!), I can do it myself using my own commonly available tools.

Sure beats wasting your time waiting HOURS to recharge your car, trying to find a charger that works, heading to the dealer to do even the simplest repair, and not being able to carry nearly the payload I can carry with my car or truck.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Volsrock's post is redacted on my account, but I think that I can still address the issue.

It simply doesn't [or didn't] matter if electric cars are more expensive and less efficient.
With seven or eight billion humans on this little planet,
we needed them to replace "ice" cars to salvage the environment.

It probably doesn't matter now
because it's probably too late
to keep the earth inhabitable for future generations of humans,
but it's something we needed to do and didn't
before our population exploded with irresponsible human procreation.
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'Salvage the environment'?????!? What does that even MEAN??

I see you are a believer in population controls. Okay...you first. Go kill yourself and reduce the population for the rest of the planet.
 
Nordberg said:
They are low-maintenance vehicles. There are many ways they save including all that time stopping for gas, getting oil changes, and normal ICE maintenance problems.
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No, they are high maintenance. Teslas are the worst made, lowest quality, cars sold in the US today. The drivetrain may require less maintenance, but the rest of the car is so badly manufactured that you are constantly, and at great cost, having to get it fixed for some broken shit.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, they are high maintenance. Teslas are the worst made, lowest quality, cars sold in the US today. The drivetrain may require less maintenance, but the rest of the car is so badly manufactured that you are constantly, and at great cost, having to get it fixed for some broken shit.
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Double no. They are LOW maintenance. You can't expect me to argue about a flat-out lie. https://betterenergy.org/blog/consu...ance-costs-are-50-less-than-gas-powered-cars/
Did you ever her of lemon laws? ICEs that are so badly made that the buyer can demand a new car or his money back?
 
Nordberg said:
Double no. They are LOW maintenance. You can't expect me to argue about a flat-out lie. https://betterenergy.org/blog/consu...ance-costs-are-50-less-than-gas-powered-cars/
Did you ever her of lemon laws? ICEs that are so badly made that the buyer can demand a new car or his money back?
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Tesla Repair Costs Are More Than 27% Higher Than The Average Car. Here's Why
https://www.slashgear.com/908870/te...han-27-higher-than-the-average-car-heres-why/

https://www.automoblog.net/research/maintenance/tesla-maintenance-cost/

Tesla lags auto industry in quality, finds new J.D. Power study
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/24/tesla-lags-auto-industry-in-quality-finds-new-jd-power-study.html

The Most Common Tesla Problems
https://getjerry.com/car-repair/common-problems-with-tesla

Consumer Reports Still Ranks Tesla Reliability 27th Out Of 28
https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reliability-poor-2021/

Teslas are shitty quality cars and they break a lot. They have more recalls for defects too. Most ICE vehicles today are very well made, streets ahead of Tesla in quality.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, they are high maintenance. Teslas are the worst made, lowest quality, cars sold in the US today. The drivetrain may require less maintenance, but the rest of the car is so badly manufactured that you are constantly, and at great cost, having to get it fixed for some broken shit.
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The drivetrain requires a lot of maintenance too. Many of the recalls involve the drivetrain.

One recall also required modification of the brakes (a serious recall!) due to excess wear trying to stop the heavier car.
 
RB 60 said:
I wanna see Calif. ban ICE farm tractors next :laugh:
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They already did.

So much for farming and ranching in California. Ever wonder why farmers and ranchers are just abandoning their land and getting the hell out of California?
No water. No farm equipment allowed. High taxes. Now 'reparations' nightmare.
 
Into the Night said:
They already did.

So much for farming and ranching in California. Ever wonder why farmers and ranchers are just abandoning their land and getting the hell out of California?
No water. No farm equipment allowed. High taxes. Now 'reparations' nightmare.
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Their wake up from their fantasy will be harsh, when they figure out what they have done.

"They know not what they do"
 
BIG PAIN is the teacher of last resort.......it always works eventually.....the only other way out is dying.
 
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