Most everything I read shows that he was likely born in April.
happy Holidays everyone!
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WinterBorn
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The research I have seen talks about John the Baptist being born during Passover, and Jesus being born 6 months later.
But considering the nature of the sources, its all rather iffy.
DamnYankee
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Ask your wife she knows
You're afraid to tell us your height and weight. :lol:
He's a Yeti. He doesn't like to talk about it because his 7'-11" and only 325 pounds makes him child-sized among his kind and he always has to shop in the kids section.
DamnYankee
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Actually, September isn't a better estimate than December.
The early Church converted pagans to save their souls. Kwanza was invented to make dough for the founder who invented it.
DamnYankee
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That puts his BMI at 45, morbidly obese, and explains much.
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WinterBorn
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Actually, September is an estimate using known dates and the writings of the gospels. So there is some basis for it.
December is just the date of a pagan holiday for the birth of the sun god.
Who started Kwanza and why is not the issue. The fact that many people celebrate it as a mark of their heritage makes it as valid as the celebration of Christmas in December.
That you think you can make one holiday worthless while celebrating another that was hijacked shows hypocrisy, not faith or logic.
BMI is a horrible indicator. Dudes with 3 percent body fat can be considered "obese" if you solely use the silly charts. It is far better to measure the amount of fat percentage.
Topspin
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I went shoppng with southerncowards wife, she blew me in the parking lot.
I don't care what people celebrate this time of year....I'm just glad they do. As a Christian I don't celebrate Christmas as Christ's birthday...I know it is a hijacked date and celebration. The Bible doesn't tell me to celebrate/remember His birth anyway. I won't condemn someone doing it though...not will I condemn Kwanza or Hanukah. I love this time of year. Made fudge, divinity and pecan caramel last night .... Brought some to the elementary teachers today. Will package & take the rest with some fruit around to the old folks in my town later this week. Fun stuff...to me anyway.
DamnYankee
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Actually, Again, September isn't a better estimate than December.
And again, the early Church converted pagans to save their souls. Kwanza was invented to make dough for the founder who invented it. It also was created to encourage racism, as the founder was racist.
DamnYankee
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Another fantasy of yours while sodomizing your boyfriend.
DamnYankee
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I don't know how "horrible" it is, since it is adequate for a large majority of the population, even if it's not applicable for the steroid and muscle beach crowd, but that's all I have based on the current information. Is Topstool a 'roid boy?
Nah, the charts were made for humans, not Yeti.
Nobody celebrates X-Mas.
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USFREEDOM911
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Here's a little aritcle by a man named Klein. Pretty good summary of my beliefs:
The First Christmas
It comes as a surprise to many religious people that the celebration of Christmas as the birth of Christ is completely and totally of human invention. God's word never tells us when Christ was born, never calls His birth Christmas, and never commands that the birth of Christ be celebrated by His followers.
The Catholic Church rightfully takes credit for establishing Christmas as a religious celebration. Recently I re-read the article on "Christmas" in the Catholic Encyclopedia, which is a large reference work produced by Catholic scholars (It can be viewed online at www.catholic.org/encyclopedia). The article contains several eye-opening truths about Christmas which we would do well to ponder. The following points are my observations from the encyclopedia article, each followed by a related quotation from the article.
The word Christmas was not even invented till the 11th century A.D. "The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131."
Church leaders in the first few centuries did not sanction the celebration of the birth of Christ. "Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church. Irenaeus and Tertullian omit it from their lists of feasts; Origen. . . asserts that in the Scriptures sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday."
Early celebrations of the birth of Christ were considered strange and were not done on December 25th. "The first evidence of the feast is from Egypt. About A.D. 200, Clement of Alexandria says that certain Egyptian theologians 'over curiously' assign, not the year alone, but the day of Christ's birth, placing it on 25 Pachon (20 May). . . "
December 25th was not celebrated as Christ's birthday until the 4th century. "At Rome the earliest evidence is in the Philocalian (an illustrated calendar, sk) compiled in 354."
December 25th was chosen because it was also the date of a popular pagan holiday. The well-known solar feast, however, of Natalis Invicti, celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date." Pagans celebrated December 25th as the rebirth of the sun. On this day the sun reversed its southward retreat and proved itself to be unconquered. Some connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus.
Virtually all Christmas traditions had their origins either in pagan practices or in Catholic tradition. Regarding "Cards and presents: Pagan customs centering round the January calends gravitated to Christmas."
God has given Christians great personal liberty in areas where He has not given us a specific law to follow. For instance, we may choose to eat meat or we can be vegetarians. We may keep days, or not keep them (Romans 14:2-6). If an individual wishes to recall the birth of Christ and express joy regarding the event, surely he is free to do so any time. Giving gifts, displaying colored lights, and eating a big meal with family are also things that we are at liberty to do on any day of the year.
However, celebrating December 25th as if it were in fact the birthday of Christ, equating this birthday with something called Christmas, and generally behaving as if God has ordained December 25th to be the holiest day of the year, is misguided to say the least. How easy it is to replace true spirituality with the inventions of men. On every street corner we see men who know little more of God's Son than what they hear and see around Christmas - much of which is false and has no Bible basis. Celebrating Christmas as the birth of Christ provides at best a dim unsatisfying copy of the grace, love, charity, joy, hope and fellowship that the Lord wants us to experience every day of the year.
http://http://newgeorgiachurch.com/bulletin/bulletin12_14_08.html
I've always heard it to be July based on when the shepherds were tending their flock. Of course, like you, I am willing to be persuaded to more concrete evidence.....