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Onceler said:
To not understand that confidence is one of the cornerstones of our economy is admitting to some pretty willful ignorance. You're talking about hope as though it is some personal emotion that applies only to someone's personal philosophy. Within the context of an economic discussion, hope is just as relevant as productivity or manufacturing output....
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Again, confidence is the beginning of the journey back. Pretending that the beginning of a journey is the destination is just plain inane. Especially when we have mixed indicators and know that a setback may indeed happen.
 
Onceler said:
Well, then - maybe you can explain to me why you wouldn't trade a worse month for a better month?
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Again, I would trade the jobs in January for the jobs now, I would trade the nations wealth for the numbers in January for the ones now. You simply ignored my answer to pretend I said what you wanted rather than what I actually said. We have a goal, we have not met it yet you want to say we've surpassed it because you feel better.
 
Damocles said:
Again, I would trade the jobs in January for the jobs now. You simply ignored my answer to pretend I said what you wanted rather than what I actually said.
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No cherrypicking. On the straight-up question, your answer was a clear "no."

We don't decide which month is better on one factor alone. It's assumed that the "better" month would be the one you would choose (and rightly so, I might add, because beneath that ol' stubborness, you actually do understand that this IS the better month)....
 
And if you really want to know, I started shorting my stock as soon as Obama started talking Depression in order to pass the stimulus, I am most definitely better off than I was in January, but the economy isn't.
 
Onceler said:
No cherrypicking. On the straight-up question, your answer was a clear "no."

We don't decide which month is better on one factor alone. It's assumed that the "better" month would be the one you would choose (and rightly so, I might add, because beneath that ol' stubborness, you actually do understand that this IS the better month)....
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It was not. I stated that I want to trade the level of jobs for those in January and the level of wealth for that of September... You just ignored it.
 
Damo, economically speaking.... you would rather go back to last January than face this comming January?
 
Jarod said:
Damo, economically speaking.... you would rather go back to last January than face this comming January?
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Yes. More people had jobs, the nation had more wealth. Where we were then is a goal now because we lost so much between then and now.

Emotively speaking you would not. I understand that. I even understand why, but by sheer numbers, yes I would trade what we had in January for what we have now.
 
Damocles said:
It was not. I stated that I want to trade the level of jobs for those in January and the level of wealth for that of September... You just ignored it.
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Who wouldn't?

That is one slice of the economic pie. Our conversation wasn't about "jobs." It was about the overall economy. And you understand that, for the overall economy, this is the better month.

Unless you would like to retract your answer and say that you WOULD trade December for January?

Spinner.
 
There should be an emoticon of someone riding a unicycle through flaming hoops while juggling.

It would be apt for Damo at the moment.
 
I hope the Republican nominee harkins back to January of 09' as a goal for his administration!
 
Jarod said:
I certantly hope we never go back to where we were then.... Not my goal.
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It isn't your goal to lower the jobless rate, lower the foreclosure rates, increase the wealth of the nation?

I hope that all the Democrats run on that.
 
So the long and short of it is that Damo thinks it is better to be going into a deepening recession than to be coming out of one?

Nice.
 
Onceler said:
Who wouldn't?

That is one slice of the economic pie. Our conversation wasn't about "jobs." It was about the overall economy. And you understand that, for the overall economy, this is the better month.

Unless you would like to retract your answer and say that you WOULD trade December for January?

Spinner.
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Why did you ignore this one?

I was curious to see if you would retract your previous answer.
 
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