Environmentalism is evil: Lindzen

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I see I was blocked by our residence, self-aggrandizing bullshit artist from Thailand. Obviously, afraid he’ll be called on his bullshit. Well, he was right on that.

Talks about Lindzen’s “superiority” to climate alarmists.

Well, guess what, boys and girls? His PEERS think him full of shit on many issues. Say he does a “disservice to the scientific method”. Our resident “pure chemistry” braggart does as well.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/a-disse...d-climate-scientists-take-on-richard-lindzen/
 
This guy is in the pockets of the fossil fuel companies.

Richard S. Lindzen

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen ( b. February 8, 1940) is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology[1] He is funded by fossil fuel interests, such as Peabody Coal.[2]

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Richard_S._Lindzen


Biggest US coal company funded dozens of groups questioning climate change

Analysis of Peabody Energy court documents show company backed trade groups, lobbyists and thinktanks dubbed ‘heart and soul of climate denial’ Contrarian scientists such as Richard Lindzen and Willie Soon also feature on the bankruptcy list.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rgy-coal-mining-climate-change-denial-funding

Climate Contrarian Gets Fact-Checked by MIT Colleagues in Open Letter to Trump

“As [Lindzen’s] colleagues at MIT in the Program in Atmospheres, Oceans and Climate, all of whom are actively involved in understanding climate, we write to make it clear that this is not a view shared by us, or by the overwhelming majority of other scientists who have devoted their professional lives to careful study of climate science,” said the March 2 letter, signed by 22 current and retired MIT professors.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...-scientists-richard-lindzen-mit-donald-trump/
 
domer76 said:
I see I was blocked by our residence, self-aggrandizing bullshit artist from Thailand. Obviously, afraid he’ll be called on his bullshit. Well, he was right on that.

Talks about Lindzen’s “superiority” to climate alarmists.

Well, guess what, boys and girls? His PEERS think him full of shit on many issues. Say he does a “disservice to the scientific method”. Our resident “pure chemistry” braggart does as well.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/a-disse...d-climate-scientists-take-on-richard-lindzen/
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Our friend from Thailand just can't stand-up to scrutiny without having a temper tantrum.
 
All part of creating a false paradigm, flat earthers find some obscure individual with a contrarian view and promote it as a game changer, an invalidation of what climate scientists concur on, the “alternative facts,” done by design to create doubt, and often financed by fossil fuel entities
 
Trumpet said:
This guy is in the pockets of the fossil fuel companies.

Richard S. Lindzen

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen ( b. February 8, 1940) is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology[1] He is funded by fossil fuel interests, such as Peabody Coal.[2]

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Richard_S._Lindzen


Biggest US coal company funded dozens of groups questioning climate change

Analysis of Peabody Energy court documents show company backed trade groups, lobbyists and thinktanks dubbed ‘heart and soul of climate denial’ Contrarian scientists such as Richard Lindzen and Willie Soon also feature on the bankruptcy list.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rgy-coal-mining-climate-change-denial-funding

Climate Contrarian Gets Fact-Checked by MIT Colleagues in Open Letter to Trump

“As [Lindzen’s] colleagues at MIT in the Program in Atmospheres, Oceans and Climate, all of whom are actively involved in understanding climate, we write to make it clear that this is not a view shared by us, or by the overwhelming majority of other scientists who have devoted their professional lives to careful study of climate science,” said the March 2 letter, signed by 22 current and retired MIT professors.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...-scientists-richard-lindzen-mit-donald-trump/
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Yes, he is. Follow the money. Right?
 
Over 70 million Americans are in an unprecedented heatwave that will push temps over 100 degrees. We have named ocean storms far earlier than in the past. Hurricanes are tornadoes are stronger and more numerous. Insects and animals are extending their ranges. Now southern Americans have to deal with malaria and other diseases that were almost unknown. There are many earmarks that global warming is impacting the US. Add the enormous forest fires that are at new levels and in new places.
Global warming and its dire impacts are real even if you choose not to believe them.
 
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Nordberg said:
Over 70 million Americans are in an unprecedented heatwave that will push temps over 100 degrees. We have named ocean storms far earlier than in the past. Hurricanes are tornadoes are stronger and more numerous. Insects and animals are extending their ranges. Now southern Americans have to deal with malaria and other diseases that were almost unknown. There are many earmarks that global warming is impacting the US.
Global warming and its dire impacts are real even if you choose not to believe them.
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On a global scale, not merely the US, the consequences are much worse. At least here, we have more resources and advantages to deal with it. In third world countries, where survival in the best of times is difficult, it becomes a life and death situation.
 
domer76 said:
I see I was blocked by our residence, self-aggrandizing bullshit artist from Thailand. Obviously, afraid he’ll be called on his bullshit. Well, he was right on that.

Talks about Lindzen’s “superiority” to climate alarmists.

Well, guess what, boys and girls? His PEERS think him full of shit on many issues. Say he does a “disservice to the scientific method”. Our resident “pure chemistry” braggart does as well.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/a-disse...d-climate-scientists-take-on-richard-lindzen/
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Science is not a 'method' or 'procedure'. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
 
Trumpet said:
This guy is in the pockets of the fossil fuel companies.

Richard S. Lindzen

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen ( b. February 8, 1940) is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology[1] He is funded by fossil fuel interests, such as Peabody Coal.[2]

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Richard_S._Lindzen


Biggest US coal company funded dozens of groups questioning climate change

Analysis of Peabody Energy court documents show company backed trade groups, lobbyists and thinktanks dubbed ‘heart and soul of climate denial’ Contrarian scientists such as Richard Lindzen and Willie Soon also feature on the bankruptcy list.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rgy-coal-mining-climate-change-denial-funding

Climate Contrarian Gets Fact-Checked by MIT Colleagues in Open Letter to Trump

“As [Lindzen’s] colleagues at MIT in the Program in Atmospheres, Oceans and Climate, all of whom are actively involved in understanding climate, we write to make it clear that this is not a view shared by us, or by the overwhelming majority of other scientists who have devoted their professional lives to careful study of climate science,” said the March 2 letter, signed by 22 current and retired MIT professors.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...-scientists-richard-lindzen-mit-donald-trump/
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Fossils are not fuel. There is no such thing as a 'fossil fuel company'. Fossils don't burn.

Science does not have a voting bloc. It does not use consensus. It has no politics. It has no religion. There is no such thing as 'climate science'.
Science is not a university, school, degree, professors, voting bloc, degree, license, certification, credential, or any other Holy Sanctification. It is not a government. It is not a company. It is not a grant program. It is not a 'profession'. It is not even scientists. It is not people at all.

Science is just a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.

You ignore three of them. They have not yet been falsified. You discard and deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

There is nothing to 'understand' about climate. Climate simply is. It has no values associated with it. It has no temperature. It has no wind speed or direction. It has no precipitation gauge. It has not values at all. Climate is a subjective description of conditions. A marine climate is always a marine climate. A desert climate is always a desert climate.

You should learn English. Learn the difference between 'climate' and 'weather'. Weather changes from day to day, and even from minute to minute.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. It is not possible to measure the emissivity of Earth. It is not possible to measure the pH of the oceans. It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric concentration of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere. It is not possible to measure where CO2 comes from. It has no 'retention time'. You cannot trap light. You cannot trap thermal energy. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

Your religion routinely discards science and mathematics.
 
...and now for some more religious chants from the Church of Global Warming...
Nordberg said:
Over 70 million Americans are in an unprecedented heatwave that will push temps over 100 degrees.
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Heat waves are not unprecedented. 100 deg F is not unprecedented. Did you know it's summer??
Nordberg said:
We have named ocean storms far earlier than in the past.
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No. The National Hurricane Data disagrees with you.
Nordberg said:
Hurricanes are tornadoes are stronger and more numerous.
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No. The National Hurricane Data disagrees with you.
Nordberg said:
Insects and animals are extending their ranges.
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No, they aren't.
Nordberg said:
Now southern Americans have to deal with malaria and other diseases that were almost unknown.
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Malaria has been known for thousands of years, dumbass. Go study some history. Also, learn what 'malaise' means...a related subject.
Nordberg said:
There are many earmarks that global warming is impacting the US.
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It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
You cannot create energy out of nothing.

No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth.
Nordberg said:
Global warming and its dire impacts are real even if you choose not to believe them.
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Buzzword fallacy. Attempted proof by buzzword. Pascal's Wager fallacy. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
 
domer76 said:
On a global scale, not merely the US, the consequences are much worse. At least here, we have more resources and advantages to deal with it. In third world countries, where survival in the best of times is difficult, it becomes a life and death situation.
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Fire! Fear! Foe!

There are no consequences for what you cannot even define.
 
Richard S. Lindzen is wrong. Environmentalism, as practiced on the Left isn't evil. It's stupid. It's insane. It is often oblivious, and it is always virtue signaling.

For example, that sort of environmentalist tells us that natural gas heating is evil and bad because of the CO2 released. Yet, somehow, using a wood pellet stove for heat is "carbon neutral" and okay, of course, ignoring the ignorance and stupidity of that idea. (And yes, it is ignorant and stupid. Making wood pellets releases huge volumes of VOC's, requires the clear cutting of whole forests of trees, and takes a lot of energy to make them, but that gets ignored because for the environmental Left ignorance is bliss and supposedly by planting new trees to make more pellets the whole process is completely a full circle for the chemicals, etc., released).

That doesn't make environmentalists "evil," it makes them stupid, ignorant--even willfully so--and often narcissistic. They don't do what they do out of malice or viciousness, but rather from blissful ignorance. They're too stupid to be mean enough to be evil. So, Lindzen is wrong.
 
Nordberg said:
Over 70 million Americans are in an unprecedented heatwave that will push temps over 100 degrees.
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I keep hearing you (and others) regularly bringing up different instances of 'very high temperatures' (usually during the Summer time, as it is now). How can said occurrences be "unprecedented" if they happen on such a regular basis?

Nordberg said:
We have named ocean storms far earlier than in the past. Hurricanes are tornadoes are stronger and more numerous.
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Weather data disagrees with you.

Nordberg said:
Insects and animals are extending their ranges.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

I've recently become an amateur birder and I've already noticed that it isn't all that uncommon for birds to end up somewhere where they aren't typically found. For instance, birders in the Milwaukee area (I forget exactly where) noticed a female Flame-colored tanager, which is typically found in Central America. Yup, that's a Central American bird all the way up in Wisconsin. I didn't bother with trying to chase it down to see/photograph it, but I did do so for a limpkin (typically found in Central and South America, and in Florida) that made its way up to Horicon Marsh this year. It is currently very happy, eating snails to its heart's content.

Are you claiming this sort of thing to be an "extension of range"?

Nordberg said:
Now southern Americans have to deal with malaria and other diseases that were almost unknown.
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Malaria has been known about for quite some time now.

Nordberg said:
There are many earmarks that global warming is impacting the US.
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An undefined buzzword cannot impact anything.

Nordberg said:
Add the enormous forest fires that are at new levels and in new places.
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Forest fires already happen on a regular basis across much of the world.

Right now there's been a number of them up in Canada that have been doing a number on the air quality and visibility here in Wisconsin for quite some time now. It has made me legitimately miss something that I had never thought I'd miss up until now: looking up and seeing a clear blue sky. It makes a person have a newfound appreciation for something that is otherwise taken for granted during the daily grind.

Nordberg said:
Global warming and its dire impacts are real even if you choose not to believe them.
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Christianity and its dire impacts for all unbelievers are real even if you choose not to believe them.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Richard S. Lindzen is wrong. Environmentalism, as practiced on the Left isn't evil. It's stupid. It's insane. It is often oblivious, and it is always virtue signaling.

For example, that sort of environmentalist tells us that natural gas heating is evil and bad because of the CO2 released. Yet, somehow, using a wood pellet stove for heat is "carbon neutral" and okay, of course, ignoring the ignorance and stupidity of that idea. (And yes, it is ignorant and stupid. Making wood pellets releases huge volumes of VOC's, requires the clear cutting of whole forests of trees, and takes a lot of energy to make them, but that gets ignored because for the environmental Left ignorance is bliss and supposedly by planting new trees to make more pellets the whole process is completely a full circle for the chemicals, etc., released).

That doesn't make environmentalists "evil," it makes them stupid, ignorant--even willfully so--and often narcissistic. They don't do what they do out of malice or viciousness, but rather from blissful ignorance. They're too stupid to be mean enough to be evil. So, Lindzen is wrong.
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Do you have any idea how often you use whataboutisms. Gas heating does impact people's lives. It has nothing to do with pellet heating.
 
Nordberg said:
Do you have any idea how often you use whataboutisms. Gas heating does impact people's lives. It has nothing to do with pellet heating.
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That isn't a whataboutism. It was opinion based on facts, and I included an example. Gas heating does impact people's lives, and in a positive way. It's efficient, cheap, and as heating methods go, clean. If Germany ends natural gas use, people still have to heat their homes. The go to is now the pellet stove.

ANALYSIS OF EXISTING INCENTIVES IN EUROPE FOR HEATING
POWERED BY FOSSIL FUELS AND RENEWABLE SOURCES
https://www.coolproducts.eu/wp-cont...of-Fossil-Fuel-Incentives-in-Europe_FINAL.pdf

Stockpiling wood in fear of gas shortage
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-stockpiling-wood-in-fear-of-gas-shortage/a-62601419

Europe Is Sacrificing Its Ancient Forests for Energy
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/07/world/europe/eu-logging-wood-pellets.html

Here's an envirotard site that is saying exactly what I said they say:

Are Pellet Stoves a Good Heating Option?
https://www.treehugger.com/are-pellet-stoves-a-good-heating-option-4863820

And the truth ignored:

The dirty little secret behind 'clean energy' wood pellets
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/30/wood-pellets-biomass-environmental-impact

Environmental Groups Sue Texas Wood Pellet Plant for Toxic Emissions
https://environmentalintegrity.org/...he,per year, nearly ten times the legal limit.

TCEQ IS FINALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT AN EAST TEXAS POLLUTER
https://www.texasobserver.org/pollution-wood-pellet-tceq-east-texas-german/

One of many such plants across the US South that makes wood pellets primarily for the European market and is a major source of pollution.

It is a perfect example of how radical Leftist environmentalists ignore facts, science, and reality in favor of their near-religious dogma and beliefs.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Richard S. Lindzen is wrong. Environmentalism, as practiced on the Left isn't evil. It's stupid. It's insane. It is often oblivious, and it is always virtue signaling.
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No. It's evil. It's goal is to shut down industry and implement fascism and communism through government oppression.
T. A. Gardner said:
For example, that sort of environmentalist tells us that natural gas heating is evil and bad because of the CO2 released. Yet, somehow, using a wood pellet stove for heat is "carbon neutral" and okay, of course, ignoring the ignorance and stupidity of that idea. (And yes, it is ignorant and stupid. Making wood pellets releases huge volumes of VOC's, requires the clear cutting of whole forests of trees, and takes a lot of energy to make them, but that gets ignored because for the environmental Left ignorance is bliss and supposedly by planting new trees to make more pellets the whole process is completely a full circle for the chemicals, etc., released).

That doesn't make environmentalists "evil," it makes them stupid, ignorant--even willfully so--and often narcissistic. They don't do what they do out of malice or viciousness, but rather from blissful ignorance. They're too stupid to be mean enough to be evil. So, Lindzen is wrong.
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He is wrong on several points, but he is right in that the Church of Green is evil.
 
Nordberg said:
Do you have any idea how often you use whataboutisms. Gas heating does impact people's lives. It has nothing to do with pellet heating.
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Gas heating does impact people's lives. It's a benefit. You and your ilk want to ban it.
No one ever said gas heating was pellet heating. You are hallucinating again.
 
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