Emergency deficit-cutting law needed?

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Congress Needs a Little Fiscal Discipline

by Cesar Conda

Congress is preparing to raise the Federal debt ceiling by a whopping $1.8 trillion. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the government will need to borrow $3 trillion for the two years 2009 and 2010. By contrast, it took America 219 years from 1789 to 2008 to amass $5.8 trillion in Federal debt. Before the Congress agrees to raise the national debt ceiling, it should approve measures to reduce deficit spending and balance the Federal budget.

Senators Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) and Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) have introduced legislation creating a bipartisan task force charged with producing a deficit-cutting plan that would be voted on in the Congress under expedited procedures. Gregg and Conrad are seeking to block the increase in the debt limit unless Congress approves their legislation. But according to Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform: "Despite the appearance of protection for taxpayers, this commission would guarantee a net tax increase in its proposal. Every Democrat on the commission would insist on tax increases to 'balance' spending cuts in the recommendation."

Instead of guaranteeing a tax increase, which would hurt our struggling economy, here's a better approach: Bring back and update the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings emergency deficit-cutting law. Championed by former Sens. Phil Gramm (R-TX), Warren Rudman (R-N.H.), and Ernest Frederick "Fritz" Hollings (D-S.C.), the bipartisan Gramm-Rudman law was enacted in 1985, when Congress was under intense public pressure to reduce what was then considered an unheard-of budget deficit of $200 billion.

Specifically, Gramm-Rudman required Congress to meet year-by-year deficit-reduction targets, ending with a balanced budget by the end of 1991. If Congress missed those targets, the law triggered automatic across-the-board spending cuts - a process called "sequestration" - to reduce deficit spending to the mandated level.

Critics charged that Gramm-Rudman failed because Congress routinely missed the annual deficit-cutting targets by an average of $30 billion, and the budget was never balanced while the law was in effect. True, but all told, Gramm-Rudman did produce lower deficits: The fiscal 1989 deficit was about $100 billion lower than had been expected in 1985 without Gramm-Rudman, and deficits as a share of our national economy decreased from 5.8 percent to 3.8 percent from 1985 to 1989. Gramm-Rudman also curbed the growth of government spending from an annual average of 8.7 percent in the five years before the law to 3.2 percent in the five years it was in effect. Even entitlement-spending growth slowed to 5 percent annually as Congress trimmed mandatory spending to avoid draconian cuts in discretionary spending programs.

The 1990 budget deal suspended the automatic sequester and replaced the Gramm Rudman deficit-reduction targets with caps on discretionary spending and a pay-as-you-go requirement for direct spending and revenue legislation.

Here's what a new and improved Gramm-Rudman would look like: It would set annual deficit-reduction targets beginning in 2010 and ending with a balanced budget by 2016. Instead of annual dollar-amount deficit targets, the new Gramm-Rudman should have percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) deficit targets, starting at 10 percent of GDP in fiscal 2010 and declining in proportionate steps all the way down to zero in 2016. By setting annual deficit ceilings as a share of the economy, Congress would have more incentive to adopt pro-growth economic policies and avoid anti-growth policies such as increasing tax rates on work effort and investment or imposing value-added taxes.

The new deficit-control process should include all government expenditures in the across-the-board sequester except for interest payments and Social Security benefits. To avoid cheating and gaming, there also should be a second, "look-back" sequester to prevent Congress from back-loading spending programs to avoid the initial sequester, as it did in the late 1980s. For national and homeland security spending, the President would have the flexibility to protect specific defense and homeland spending from the automatic spending cuts.

Balancing the budget by 2016 is admittedly tough - some will say impossible. But it can be achieved through the combination of firm spending restraint and, most important, rapid economic growth. Remember, in the late 1990s, the Republican Congress and Mr. Clinton cut spending and reduced the capital-gains tax, which rapidly produced huge budget surpluses: From 1997 to 2000, the federal balance sheet went from a $21 billion deficit to a $236 billion surplus.

So balancing the budget in six years is achievable, but members of Congress will need the threat of automatic spending cuts to force them to get the job done. Before Congress raises the debt ceiling to $1.8 trillion, they ought to impose the fiscal discipline of firm deficit limits enforced by automatic spending cuts on themselves.
 
Funny how when Regan was presiding over the largest increase in the deficate ever for that time conservatives did not care about it.....
 
1) Deficit reduction during a recession is mind-blowingly stupid.

2) I guaran-fucking-tee that, were the deficit to be reduced and the government to actually run a surplus, the first thing Grover Norquist and the rest of the jackasses would do is start screaming about tax cuts. It'll be 2000 all over again. Fuck that. Why should a Democratic president work to reduce the deficit just so the Republicans can fuck things up again?
 
thanks for the comedy
No shit. How about this deficit cutting law. While were at war raise taxes across the board progresively to pay for it. Maybe that would motivate the Chickenhawks to declare victory and end the war and it's ungodly expense.

I don't want to hear some dim witted conservative who supported the elimination of PayGo discussing deficit reduction measures.
 
How about stopping useless wars and occupations. LOFL
These two tools are vying for free press. It has less than zero chance of passing.
 
Funny how when Regan was presiding over the largest increase in the deficate ever for that time conservatives did not care about it.....

There is a difference when your giving the money to aspects of America who will never give back versus aspects of America who reinvests.

If you have 100k you want to invest do you

A) give it to guy who needs charity to survive?
B) give it to guy who is trying to start a business?

Two very different philosophy's. Each with its merits.
 
depends on which party

There is a difference when your giving the money to aspects of America who will never give back versus aspects of America who reinvests.

If you have 100k you want to invest do you

A) give it to guy who needs charity to survive?
iF your a democrat
B) give it to guy who is trying to start a business?



if your a republican
 
1) Deficit reduction during a recession is mind-blowingly stupid.

2) I guaran-fucking-tee that, were the deficit to be reduced and the government to actually run a surplus, the first thing Grover Norquist and the rest of the jackasses would do is start screaming about tax cuts. It'll be 2000 all over again. Fuck that. Why should a Democratic president work to reduce the deficit just so the Republicans can fuck things up again?

you're such a hack.....

its always only the republicans.....good lord, don't you tire of your constant meadowmuffins?
 
you're such a hack.....

its always only the republicans.....good lord, don't you tire of your constant meadowmuffins?


It's not always the Republicans. In the case I mentioned it was certainly the Republicans, though.

I'm always interested in being proven wrong. Perhaps you have some theory that pins the deficits run up during the Bush Administration on the Democrats. I'd love to hear it.
 
It's not always the Republicans. In the case I mentioned it was certainly the Republicans, though.

I'm always interested in being proven wrong. Perhaps you have some theory that pins the deficits run up during the Bush Administration on the Democrats. I'd love to hear it.

The years with the biggest deficits.... who controlled both Houses of Congress?

No question the Reps were a bunch of fiscal fuck ups over the past 8 years... but somehow the Dems seem to conveniently forget the fact that the Dems had control of the house and Senate in 2007 and 2008. Of course, they continue to offer up the Desh like 'well, we didn't have enough power to get anything past Bush and that is why we didn't do shit'. They could have re-enacted Glass Steagall and forced Bush to veto it.... but they didn't. They could have enacted a law preventing the SEC from removing the uptick rule and forced bush to veto it... but they didn't. They could have told Barney to stop lying to the American people about Fannie and Freddie's risk... but they didn't. They share a lot of the blame for the mess we are in... but you would be correct to state the Reps fucked things up pretty bad.
 
The years with the biggest deficits.... who controlled both Houses of Congress?

No question the Reps were a bunch of fiscal fuck ups over the past 8 years... but somehow the Dems seem to conveniently forget the fact that the Dems had control of the house and Senate in 2007 and 2008. Of course, they continue to offer up the Desh like 'well, we didn't have enough power to get anything past Bush and that is why we didn't do shit'. They could have re-enacted Glass Steagall and forced Bush to veto it.... but they didn't. They could have enacted a law preventing the SEC from removing the uptick rule and forced bush to veto it... but they didn't. They could have told Barney to stop lying to the American people about Fannie and Freddie's risk... but they didn't. They share a lot of the blame for the mess we are in... but you would be correct to state the Reps fucked things up pretty bad.


Stop apologizing for Bush.
 
Congress Needs a Little Fiscal Discipline

by Cesar Conda

Congress is preparing to raise the Federal debt ceiling by a whopping $1.8 trillion. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the government will need to borrow $3 trillion for the two years 2009 and 2010. By contrast, it took America 219 years from 1789 to 2008 to amass $5.8 trillion in Federal debt. Before the Congress agrees to raise the national debt ceiling, it should approve measures to reduce deficit spending and balance the Federal budget.

Senators Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) and Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) have introduced legislation creating a bipartisan task force charged with producing a deficit-cutting plan that would be voted on in the Congress under expedited procedures. Gregg and Conrad are seeking to block the increase in the debt limit unless Congress approves their legislation. But according to Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform: "Despite the appearance of protection for taxpayers, this commission would guarantee a net tax increase in its proposal. Every Democrat on the commission would insist on tax increases to 'balance' spending cuts in the recommendation."

Instead of guaranteeing a tax increase, which would hurt our struggling economy, here's a better approach: Bring back and update the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings emergency deficit-cutting law. Championed by former Sens. Phil Gramm (R-TX), Warren Rudman (R-N.H.), and Ernest Frederick "Fritz" Hollings (D-S.C.), the bipartisan Gramm-Rudman law was enacted in 1985, when Congress was under intense public pressure to reduce what was then considered an unheard-of budget deficit of $200 billion.

Specifically, Gramm-Rudman required Congress to meet year-by-year deficit-reduction targets, ending with a balanced budget by the end of 1991. If Congress missed those targets, the law triggered automatic across-the-board spending cuts - a process called "sequestration" - to reduce deficit spending to the mandated level.

Critics charged that Gramm-Rudman failed because Congress routinely missed the annual deficit-cutting targets by an average of $30 billion, and the budget was never balanced while the law was in effect. True, but all told, Gramm-Rudman did produce lower deficits: The fiscal 1989 deficit was about $100 billion lower than had been expected in 1985 without Gramm-Rudman, and deficits as a share of our national economy decreased from 5.8 percent to 3.8 percent from 1985 to 1989. Gramm-Rudman also curbed the growth of government spending from an annual average of 8.7 percent in the five years before the law to 3.2 percent in the five years it was in effect. Even entitlement-spending growth slowed to 5 percent annually as Congress trimmed mandatory spending to avoid draconian cuts in discretionary spending programs.

The 1990 budget deal suspended the automatic sequester and replaced the Gramm Rudman deficit-reduction targets with caps on discretionary spending and a pay-as-you-go requirement for direct spending and revenue legislation.

Here's what a new and improved Gramm-Rudman would look like: It would set annual deficit-reduction targets beginning in 2010 and ending with a balanced budget by 2016. Instead of annual dollar-amount deficit targets, the new Gramm-Rudman should have percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) deficit targets, starting at 10 percent of GDP in fiscal 2010 and declining in proportionate steps all the way down to zero in 2016. By setting annual deficit ceilings as a share of the economy, Congress would have more incentive to adopt pro-growth economic policies and avoid anti-growth policies such as increasing tax rates on work effort and investment or imposing value-added taxes.

The new deficit-control process should include all government expenditures in the across-the-board sequester except for interest payments and Social Security benefits. To avoid cheating and gaming, there also should be a second, "look-back" sequester to prevent Congress from back-loading spending programs to avoid the initial sequester, as it did in the late 1980s. For national and homeland security spending, the President would have the flexibility to protect specific defense and homeland spending from the automatic spending cuts.

Balancing the budget by 2016 is admittedly tough - some will say impossible. But it can be achieved through the combination of firm spending restraint and, most important, rapid economic growth. Remember, in the late 1990s, the Republican Congress and Mr. Clinton cut spending and reduced the capital-gains tax, which rapidly produced huge budget surpluses: From 1997 to 2000, the federal balance sheet went from a $21 billion deficit to a $236 billion surplus.

So balancing the budget in six years is achievable, but members of Congress will need the threat of automatic spending cuts to force them to get the job done. Before Congress raises the debt ceiling to $1.8 trillion, they ought to impose the fiscal discipline of firm deficit limits enforced by automatic spending cuts on themselves.


If it weren't so sad it might be funny...after presiding over the BIGGEST INCREASE IN GOVERNMENT SPENDING...EVER, suddenly our fiscally "responsible" Rightie friends think we need to dial the spending back down.

Funny how they couldn't be bothered when THEY were doing the spending...
 
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