Americans losing faith in elections process

Damocles said:
Don't worry... Trump will tell folks not to vote because of it if he doesn't get the nomination. Like he did after the Georgia election was certified, costing us two Senate seats and an almost certain majority in the Senate and Congress...

Seriously, if they are going to cheat you have to get folks to get active and out to vote to simply make it impossible to overcome without causing folks to fully comprehend that there is election shenanigans. Telling folks not to vote is a sure way to pull defeat from the jaws of victory and to help cover whatever shenanigans you think they are doing rather than expose them...
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no.

it's just what people will do because he is the only real candidate.

desantis is a shitbox loser and you know it.

the astro-turfing failed for desantis, deep-state.
 
JesusAI said:
Thats not a backpedal.

i just refuse to do your fucking busywork when we all know im right.

:true story:
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Disagreed, Fredo. You backed off from a false declaration towards the truth. It's a good backpedal.

You don't have to research your own beliefs, Fredo. You are not required to prove a single thing you post such as "dems said 2016 was stolen by a russian operation". You are free to lie or post your unsupported opinions all day long, Fredo. God bless America!

We? Not me, Fredo, so who else do you mean?

The fact you post "true story" as a punchline says it's not true. :)
 
Doc Dutch said:
How close? Illegally close?

Yes, Trump asked the Russians to hack Hillary. I'm pretty sure the Russians did that shortly after Hillary set up her unsecure private server. Trump was just being Trump; announcing the obvious and claiming credit not his due.

Did Russian interference in the election, such as Facebook ads, influence the election? I studied behavioral psychology and agree it did. Mostly among those stupid or deluded enough to be on Facebook. LOL

There is zero evidence the Russian interference changed a single vote, but I agree it probably did influence votes.

Remember the transwoman who flashed her fake tits at the WH? She was an influencer. Just like the fucking Russians.

The bigger question: "Is there a problem here or not?"
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what does it mean to influence a vote but not change it?

are you some kind of idiot?

if so, what kind?
 
Doc Dutch said:
Disagreed, Fredo. You backed off from a false declaration towards the truth. It's a good backpedal.

You don't have to research your own beliefs, Fredo. You are not required to prove a single thing you post such as "dems said 2016 was stolen by a russian operation". You are free to lie or post your unsupported opinions all day long, Fredo. God bless America!

We? Not me, Fredo, so who else do you mean?

The fact you post "true story" as a punchline says it's not true. :)
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no.

you demanded proof that dems asserted a russian theft of the 2016 election.

they assert it to this day.

in this very thread.

and you're with them.

because you're an idiot.
 
JesusAI said:
what does it mean to influence a vote but not change it?

are you some kind of idiot?

if so, what kind?
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Influence is to consider a point of view (POV). For example, consider the odds Pedo Don molested Ivanka. I say he did.

If you do, then am I an influencer? If you believe Pedo Don actually molested Ivanka, then have I influenced you or did you arrive at that decision on your own?
 
Yakuda said:
How do you know if it's not required that people prove who they are? A conceal carry ID is issued by the govt. Student IDs aren't and tribal IDs are not US govt issued. Nice try though
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In person voter fraud is extremely rare and because it is rare there's no need for voter ID. The reason why such voter fraud is rare is obvious. Every time someone shows up to impersonate a registered voter he or she risks immediate arrest. In addition, it would take a very large number of impersonators in hundreds or thousands of voting districts to make a meaningful difference in anything but a nail biter election and finding all those people willing to risk arrest simply isn't feasible. Anyone who falsely presents himself
as a voter likely doesn't know if the person being impersonated hasn't already voted, or wouldn't show up later to vote, revealing a fraud that may have been caught on video; the impersonator doesn't know if one or more of the voting officials
is familiar with the real voter and would recognize him or her as a fraud. The whole thing is fraught with danger and uncertainty. So it's not at all surprising that this kind of fraud is practically non existent.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Whether their beliefs are true or not, an increasing number, to now represent a majority of Americans, believe that elections are full of 'cheating.' Many think that election officials and others in government are ignoring claims of election fraud and even working actively to produce it.

It doesn't matter if this is true or not. The fact that a majority think and feel this way, should be a major alarm bell to politicians and government about elections. If people have no faith in the results, whether they are fair and accurate or the result of fraud and cheating, means the people have no faith in government. That is going to become a serious problem for our society.

Voters see ‘cheating’ everywhere, 54% expect it in 2024 election
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn_feed
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Stop the Steal and Trump Won Too!!!:laugh:
 
Doc Dutch said:
Influence is to consider a point of view (POV). For example, consider the odds Pedo Don molested Ivanka. I say he did.

If you do, then am I an influencer? If you believe Pedo Don actually molested Ivanka, then have I influenced you or did you arrive at that decision on your own?
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Influence and consider are not synonyms.
 
signalmankenneth said:
[video=youtube;OXiXDteb2X4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXiXDteb2X4&t=2s[/vid]

Stop the Steal and Trump Won Too!!!:laugh:
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Like Legion, you seem smart enough to know that smarter people can see you are a sock, but you count on the stupid people to not see it. :)
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Whether their beliefs are true or not, an increasing number, to now represent a majority of Americans, believe that elections are full of 'cheating.' Many think that election officials and others in government are ignoring claims of election fraud and even working actively to produce it.

It doesn't matter if this is true or not. The fact that a majority think and feel this way, should be a major alarm bell to politicians and government about elections. If people have no faith in the results, whether they are fair and accurate or the result of fraud and cheating, means the people have no faith in government. That is going to become a serious problem for our society.

Voters see ‘cheating’ everywhere, 54% expect it in 2024 election
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn_feed
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Good.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'd start with a return to elections being done totally in person with voter ID. No mail-in voting, no ballot harvesting, no drop boxes, no weeks of voting. You go to a polling station, present your ID, get verified as the correct person to vote, cast your ballot on paper that is kept as a record, and your vote is counted.

Everything the Democrats are doing and want for elections is driving this perception of fraud and cheating, and it's well grounded in how things look to the average rational person.

Everybody gets mailed a ballot. No voter ID required. You have several weeks to fill out and return your ballot to a drop box, mail it in, or the like. Ballot harvesters will come to your door to get it if you are lazy. The voter rolls are never purged. Instead, once on gets you a mail in ballot forever. You get automatically registered to vote when you do to get a driver's license, no questions asked.

How the hell does that look to the average, rational person? How does it look to you? But that's EXACTLY what the Democrats are doing, and it already exists in full in many blue states.
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Voting used to be hard. In the early days, you had to be a white male land owner along with a bunch of other stuff. I don’t want to go back to that by any means. But when I voted in 2020, the hardest thing I had to do was sign next to my name on a list of voters, I guess later they would compare my signature to the computer record on file. Thing was, I have a terrible tremor in my hands when I’m pissed off, and I was righteously pissed off that day. That signature was all over the page, I mean it looked like somebody was trying to get a pen to write by scribbling all over a piece of scrap paper. I apologized and went to pull out my DL, but the lady stopped me and just gave me a ballot and let me vote. How the hell do I know if my vote counted? I doubt it, because I’m a registered republican!
 
The framers of our constitution devised a system and an election process
in which nobody with a reasonably functioning brain
should have confidence.
 
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