Does trump have a viable defense?

[Truth Detector]

No there isn't however there are some possibilities that could let him off. If a judge excludes evidence that is critical, if a mistrial were to be ruled on for some reason or we have a few trump plants on the jury he could slip through our hands. Was OJ innocent?

We can start with the charge of espionage. It's absurd and asinine on its face. Then we can move to the equally idiocy of claiming there is no client/attorney privilege by compelling an attorney to testify against their own client. That's just for starters.

A president or former president cannot be charged under the Espionage Act. The Presidential Records Act was enacted precisely to tamp down the Espionage Act. The Presidential Records Act is a CIVIL statute. So, once again, like the Russian collusion hoax and the phony impeachments, this is bogus and will be dismissed as such.

 

[zymurgy]

DUMB.

agreed, but that is defense for stashing documents in his bathroom

what a fucking idiot

 

[QP!]

No there isn't however there are some possibilities that could let him off. If a judge excludes evidence that is critical, if a mistrial were to be ruled on for some reason or we have a few trump plants on the jury he could slip through our hands. Was OJ innocent?

I think the betting money should be on no successful finish to the Jack Smith prosecution. There are too many ways for Trump to wiggle off this hook, despite he clear guilt. This trial will almost certainly be delayed by Trump until the DOJ has to pause it for the election rule. A single Trump simp juror who plays it straight and gets on the jury can tank it. And if the GOP wins the election, any of them, they will almost certainly pardon Trump. Even those not friendly to him, will see it as a way to help republicans not have this stain and to own the libz. But Trump will have to make the choice to drop out of the race and support a GOP contender for to happen as i do not think he can win the Primaries from the accused box in court.

Georgia will pose the biggest threat to Trump, imo. And if Trump has dropped out and is only King maker, helping a republiclown get the POTUS, he will not have any power to impact Georgia, which he might of if he was POTUS. So the DOJ prosecution is needed regardless as that is the one that will keep him from getting the primary win, imo.

 

[Earl]

But that is defense for Biden stashing documents in his garage?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The main charge in the indictment is espionage. It is a ludicrous and outrageously stupid charge. Everything after that is meaningless partisan hackery.

I don't believe the word espionage is in the indictment at all so I don't know where you get the idea that the main charge in the indictment is espionage.
https://www.scribd.com/document/651864905/US-v-Trump-Nauta-23-80101

There are 31 counts of retaining documents and failing to deliver them to an officer of the United States.

 

[Truth Detector]

None of those others you mention overtly obstructed justice and that is what he is being charged with. It is obvious that he had no right to have those documents and he did everything he could to conspire to keep them.

Hillary destroyed evidence while under subpoena. Nothing SCREAMS obstruction better. DUH.

Biden obstructed Justice by being unauthorized and having the documents for over a decade and claiming he didn't even know he had them. DUH.

When a weaponized DOJ makes up stuff about Trump's obstruction, one must be suspicious and require better evidence than leaks to the gaslighting media.

 

[QP!]

None of those others you mention overtly obstructed justice and that is what he is being charged with. It is obvious that he had no right to have those documents and he did everything he could to conspire to keep them.

Yes correct.

Ignore the Trumptards saying the consistency of the DOJ has to be to charge every top gov't official who simply has government doc's wrongly even if they give them back and the gov't cannot prove intent. That is stupid and Trumptards are stupid, as the gov't can and does use its discretion consistently for those very top officials.


the gov't is also very consistent when it comes to obstruction of justice and attempts to deny the gov't its ability to do its job.


If Trump, Biden, Pence, Hillary or others can be proven to have done that obstruction, with willful intent then they should all be charged for consistency. So far only Trump can be shown to have done that and thus why it is consistent to only charge him.

 

[Yakuda]

I care about the lack of respect for the law and the Justice Department... specifically I care about a president disrespecting the American people so much that he told the government to fuck off after he stole their property. The American Government (The people) asked politely, he told them to fuck off. They told him they knew he had documents so he gave them a few. They knew he was lying about having turned over all of them so the Justice Department sent a subpoena. He gave a few more documents. They knew he still had more and that he had hid them so the FBI got a warrant from a JUDGE. He pretended to be outraged, but they found the treasure trove... Likely not all of them but enough. They investigated further and found he showed battle plans to journalists... so they indicted him..... Now he is outraged we the people have the audacity to refuse to allow his contemp.

I call bullshit. Had trump done what Biden did you would be just as nutty as you are now and calling for a conviction. It's not about the documents it's about trump. It's your disingenuous buffoonery that decent people can't tolerate.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Dunce, a president or former president cannot be charged under the Espionage Act. The Presidential Records Act was enacted precisely to tamp down the Espionage Act. The Presidential Records Act is a CIVIL statute. So, once again, like the Russian collusion hoax and the phony impeachments, this is bogus and will be dismissed as such.

The Presidential Records Act helps to clarify what is a government document and what is a personal document. Trump is charged with retaining government documents related to national defense and not returning them.
A document created by the defense department and shown to the President is not a personal document. He didn't create the document, the government did.

 

[Earl]

I don't believe the word espionage is in the indictment at all so I don't know where you get the idea that the main charge in the indictment is espionage.
https://www.scribd.com/document/651864905/US-v-Trump-Nauta-23-80101

There are 31 counts of retaining documents and failing to deliver them to an officer of the United States.

Wrong, dummy.



The Hill
https://thehill.com › policy › national-security › 4043...
4 days ago — Most of the charges Trump is facing are counts of willful retention of national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act of 1917.

 

[Truth Detector]

You mean like your constant saying Trump would win the 2020 election?

I predicted he would win easily unless something unforeseen occurs. Covid was the perfect storm for Democrats to latch onto and use as a cudgel and a way to wreak havoc on election systems in key states. Jurists, the media, social media and Democrats in power created the great fraud; the notion that Biden received 81,283,501 votes and that almost 95% of registered voters voted.

Trump beat his previous vote total by 11,239,147 votes. And Biden, a guy who trips walking up stairs, trips on his tongue and can't bloviate without lies and fabrications beat him by 7,059.526 votes? You must still believe in the tooth fairy.

 

[Earl]

A simple custody dispute…a misdemeanor…a small fine.

 

[Truth Detector]

Biden did not make any attempt to conceal or conspire to keep anything and that is what trump is being charged with. The difference is night and day and only a fucking devout trump dick sucker doesn't see the difference.

He didn't? He claimed he didn't even know he had the documents? They were spread out in more than four locations unsecured and easily accessed.

Claiming that he cooperated is not a defense for the FACT that he wasn't supposed to have the documents in the first place, unlike Trump. Can you imagine a criminal using that defense in court? "But your honor, at least I cooperated after I got caught. "

DUMB.

The difference is night and day and only a fucking devout trump dick sucker doesn't see the difference.

It's ironic when clueless fools make asses out of themselves in a debate and then hurl juvenile insults. I accept your capitulation on the topic. You really don't have the slightest clue of what you are whining about.

 

[Jarod]

I call bullshit. Had trump done what Biden did you would be just as nutty as you are now and calling for a conviction. It's not about the documents it's about trump. It's your disingenuous buffoonery that decent people can't tolerate.

It’s his attitude towards the rule of law.

 

[QP!]

But that is defense for Biden stashing documents in his garage?

Biden does not need that defense just as Pence does not.

The gov't has no evidence Biden or Pence knew what was in those boxes and was trying to keep the gov't and lawyers from checking and discovering what was in them, when it was already known, there was a high potential for government records to be in them that would not belong to them.


That is what Trump did. yes he had boxes like Pence and Biden. Trump however did not allow his lawyers to search them and to remove any potential government records to hand them over and instead engaged in a game of hide and seek, to make the lawyer feel he checked all places, while they were being moved to another. That way so the lawyer would swear a false attestation saying 'we have done our job, searched everywhere and there are no more documents'.

Trumps own lawyer was so suspicious of Trump potentially playing that game that he refuse to sign it and said 'does Trump have another lawyer dumb enough to sign it', and Christina Bobb said "i'm your Huckleberry'.

 

[Jarod]

Intent to commit espionage…are you that dumb?

That was a rhetorical question.

Still not the required intent.

 

[Earl]

He didn't? He claimed he didn't even know he had the documents? They were spread out in more than four locations unsecured and easily accessed.

Claiming that he cooperated is not a defense for the FACT that he wasn't supposed to have the documents in the first place, unlike Trump. Can you imagine a criminal using that defense in court? "But your honor, at least I cooperated after I got caught. "

DUMB.



It's ironic when clueless fools make asses out of themselves in a debate and then hurl juvenile insults. I accept your capitulation on the topic. You really don't have the slightest clue of what you are whining about.

Indeed…100% accurate, T.D.

 

[Truth Detector]

Because there was no attempt to break the law.

Taking the documents in the first place was illegal you halfwit. Storing them in multiple unsecure locations where anyone could gain access was illegal. You watch MSNBC don't you? Voted for Biden? Nothing screams "STUPID" louder.

If Trump had returned everything he took in short order he never would have been charged either. You must have intent to be charged and you must know what you were doing was illegal and the evidence is there for both.

That's a dumb Biden DOJ/MSNBC lie. There is a legal problem, and it could be a case of entrapment. Why didn't the Feds immediately enforce the law and take them from Trump.

Instead, the Justice Dept seems to have employed a policy of prolonged patience and an acceptance of negotiations, discussions and requests. Then suddenly there is a raid and now criminal charges. If Trump's lawyers were cooperating all along and were never notified in writing by the Justice Dept about a specific end date to all document negotiations and requests, there could be a problem. The Justice Dept could be accused of entrapment.

They plotted to have no immediate enforcement of the law, they plotted to employ a perceived acceptance of negotiations, and they plotted not to issue a written warning about a specific end date for all negotiations. Therefore, they plotted to entrap Trump. The Trump lawyers could say it was a setup/entrapment by a corrupt Justice Dept and corrupt FBI once again interfering in a Trump presidential election and once again guilty of selective treatment and enforcement. Enforcement and treatment not given to their political friends - and there seems to be ample evidence of that behavior.

 

[Truth Detector]

Haha, no, I added the word "valid" because you tried to equivocate.

Playing the asked and answered game cuz you hate to answer, don't you?

I gave much more to you. You will ignore it and come back with some sound legal argument like....."NUH UH!"

 

[Earl]

Still not the required intent.

The defense for Hillary was…intent...no intent to violate the Espionage Act…a lie by Hillary.

Do you agree with the faux “prof” who said that espionage is not part of the indictment?

The Hill
https://thehill.com › policy › national-security › 4043...
4 days ago — Most of the charges Trump is facing are counts of willful retention of national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act of 1917.