Daniel Penny charged with manslaughter in Jordan Neely’s subway chokehold death

RB 60 said:
So, in your mind, it's Perry's fault that Neely threatened the passengers on the subway?
If Neely acted in a respectful manner, nothing would have happened. That is a fact.
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In my opinion, it's Penny's fault that he chose, out of all possible actions he could have taken, to use a submission hold that was intended to cause Neely to lose consciousness and eventually killed him.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Good call, IMO. It did appear to be accidental, but I haven't seen all the evidence.

A main problem isn't Penny's chokehold, but that both the city and state of NY fails people like Neely.
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Yep. In any tragedy, there are often a number of failures along the way. That's true of mass shootings, when the shooter often makes his intentions clear on social medial and the government does nothing or in the abuse death of a child, when CPS allows the child to stay in the abusive home.
 
ZenMode said:
Yep. In any tragedy, there are often a number of failures along the way. That's true of mass shootings, when the shooter often makes his intentions clear on social medial and the government does nothing or in the abuse death of a child, when CPS allows the child to stay in the abusive home.
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Agreed it's a social and governmental problem. Most of the mass shooters telegraphed their intentions on social media. People reported it, but nothing was done because our laws and medical facilities don't allow anything to be done.
 
ZenMode said:
In my opinion, it's Penny's fault that he chose, out of all possible actions he could have taken, to use a submission hold that was intended to cause Neely to lose consciousness and eventually killed him.
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He did exactly what he was trained to do. He eradicated the threat to himself and other passengers. Unfortunately, Neely succumbed to his submission.
Maybe that should be a lesson to others who might want to threaten passengers on the subway, that it's possible there is someone on board with the balls
to step in and defuse the situation, and they could possibly die in their threatening efforts.

Of course, everyone knows it's racial and politically motivated when Al Sharpton reads the eulogy....
 
RB 60 said:
He did exactly what he was trained to do. He eradicated the threat to himself and other passengers. Unfortunately, Neely succumbed to his submission.
Maybe that should be a lesson to others who might want to threaten passengers on the subway, that it's possible there is someone on board with the balls
to step in and defuse the situation, and they could possibly die in their threatening efforts.

Of course, everyone knows it's racial and politically motivated when Al Sharpton reads the eulogy....
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Your joy at seeing a mentally ill black man killed is both disturbing and expected from a small, cruel pet killer. I doubt Penny expected to kill Neely, only to subdue him.
 
RB 60 said:
He did exactly what he was trained to do. He eradicated the threat to himself and other passengers. Unfortunately, Neely succumbed to his submission.
Maybe that should be a lesson to others who might want to threaten passengers on the subway, that it's possible there is someone on board with the balls
to step in and defuse the situation, and they could possibly die in their threatening efforts.

Of course, everyone knows it's racial and politically motivated when Al Sharpton reads the eulogy....
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Indeed... and speaking of the funeral ... quite the elaborate show they put on for a young man who didn't really mean a thing to many of them at all ...and very sadly... not enough to his family members... who could have stepped up to help him before his situation spiraled completely out of control .... Sharpton's "eulogy"
was completely racist, politically motivated, and frankly pretty disgusting...
:palm:
 
ZenMode said:
Yep. In any tragedy, there are often a number of failures along the way. That's true of mass shootings, when the shooter often makes his intentions clear on social medial and the government does nothing or in the abuse death of a child, when CPS allows the child to stay in the abusive home.
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I don't think we can pile all the blame on the system.

Trying to discern what is happening inside the minds of other people is not an exact science.

Neely had been in and out of mental facilities over the years and the only recourse left to authorities would have been to permanently and involuntarily commit him. Something that comes with many questions and challenges.

As for Penny, though he did the right thing in subduing Neely, he did not need to use that particular hold or any choke hold.

A "full Nelson" would have accomplished the same purpose of subduing Neely without cutting off his air or blood flow.

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Sounds like Penny was appropriately charged.

I would hope that, if convicted, the sentencing takes the extenuating circumstances into account and he doesn't spend an excessive amount of time, if any, behind bars.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Your joy at seeing a mentally ill black man killed is both disturbing and expected from a small, cruel pet killer. I doubt Penny expected to kill Neely, only to subdue him.
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Poor bedridden degenerate coward...

I see no joy in a mentally ill black man (of course you must bring up his race, you racist pig) die. He brought it on himself by threatening those subway passengers and a real Marine stepped up to eliminate the threat.

Oh, BTW, rabbits are again frolicking in the "hood," the feral cat that's been running around earlier has mysteriously disappeared :)
 
RB 60 said:
He did exactly what he was trained to do. He eradicated the threat to himself and other passengers. Unfortunately, Neely succumbed to his submission.
Maybe that should be a lesson to others who might want to threaten passengers on the subway, that it's possible there is someone on board with the balls
to step in and defuse the situation, and they could possibly die in their threatening efforts.

Of course, everyone knows it's racial and politically motivated when Al Sharpton reads the eulogy....
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Again, out of all the possible courses of action Penny could have taken, he chose a submission hold designed to render Neely unconscious, and it killed him. There is literally not another person on the planet who is responsible for Penny's decision besides Penny himself.
 
TOP said:
Indeed... and speaking of the funeral ... quite the elaborate show they put on for a young man who didn't really mean a thing to many of them at all ...and very sadly... not enough to his family members... who could have stepped up to help him before his situation spiraled completely out of control .... Sharpton's "eulogy"
was completely racist, politically motivated, and frankly pretty disgusting...
:palm:
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Your racism is showing!
 
Manfred Mason said:
Your racism is showing!
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Do you people just not bother to think or are you just incapable of it. It's amazing how simplistic you people any. Any disagreement makes the person some kind of "ist" suffering from some kind of "phobia". You have no capacity to make an argument.
 
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Nomad said:
I don't think we can pile all the blame on the system.

Trying to discern what is happening inside the minds of other people is not an exact science.

Neely had been in and out of mental facilities over the years and the only recourse left to authorities would have been to permanently and involuntarily commit him. Something that comes with many questions and challenges.

As for Penny, though he did the right thing in subduing Neely, he did not need to use that particular hold or any choke hold.

A "full Nelson" would have accomplished the same purpose of subduing Neely without cutting off his air or blood flow.

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Sounds like Penny was appropriately charged.

I would hope that, if convicted, the sentencing takes the extenuating circumstances into account and he doesn't spend an excessive amount of time, if any, behind bars.
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The "full nelson" can easily snap the neck. Look it up before you post your incompetence.
 
RB 60 said:
The "full nelson" can easily snap the neck. Look it up before you post your incompetence.
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Fuck off redneck goober idiot. :fu:

Full Nelson holds have been used in wrestling, both the choreographed "professional" kind and the serious, collegiate/Olympic style for over a century without necks being broken.

I'm not saying it's impossible to happen, just that it's extremely unlikely to.

But thank you anyway, for demonstrating once again what an ignorant clown you are, Jethro.
 
Yakuda said:
Do you people just not bother to think or are you just incapable of it. It's amazing how simplistic you people any. Any disagreement makes the person some kind of "ist" suffering from some kind of "phobia". You have no capacity to make an argument.
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Top is a known racist and homophobic Toxic Piece of Shit for as long as I have known her!
And I have tons of off forum hate filled correspondence from it!
 
Nomad said:
Fuck off redneck goober idiot. :fu:

Full Nelson holds have been used in wrestling, both the choreographed "professional" kind and the serious, collegiate/Olympic style for over a century without necks being broken.

I'm not saying it's impossible to happen, just that it's extremely unlikely to.

But thank you anyway, for demonstrating once again what an ignorant clown you are, Jethro.
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Fucking idiot.

"The full nelson (sometimes called a double nelson or a double shoulder lock) is done by performing half nelsons with both arms. In collegiate, high school, middle school or junior high school, and most other forms of amateur wrestling, the move is illegal due to possibility of injury."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_hold

You pissed you just had your ignorant ass handed to you?
 
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