Supreme Court says Illinois may ban sale of rapid-fire assault weapons for now

T. A. Gardner said:
Your ignorance of firearms is showing. The M 1911 .45 has a capacity of 7 rounds. Most bolt action hunting rifles hold 5 rounds. In aimed fire, as opposed to "spray and pray," magazine capacity and the difference between a fast bolt action and a semi-automatic rifle is minimal.

I own a British Lee-Enfield that holds ten rounds. With stripper clips for reload that rifle can fire 20 aimed rounds in a minute. That is, you hit what you are firing at 20 times. The bullet is also heavier so it has greater effective range than the small .223 rounds an AR 15 uses. You can't do much better with an AR 15 unless you are just spraying which does little but waste ammunition.
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What difference does it make, they all kill easily and rapidly, knowing the semantics of the weapon matters little
 
archives said:
What difference does it make, they all kill easily and rapidly, knowing the semantics of the weapon matters little
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Used properly, a single shot rifle can do that. You could buy a repeating crossbow and do it. It isn't the weapon that's the problem. It's criminal and insane people that are. If we take away the weapon, the criminal or crazy will simply find an alternative. At some point you get to outlawing pointy sticks.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
well, you started out ok, but finished up miserably.

numerous founders, quotes NOT taken out of context, and followed up by elected officials and presidents over the last 230 some years retold certain things from the founders writing and ratification of that very simple document.

the experiment of this country is one based on freedom and liberty. not based on making a 'safer' nation, nor one that can provide a basic living for every man,woman,and child.

that 'framework' of government was prescribed few and limited powers...........not unlimited powers to do with as they will.

No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights.
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Here we go with the “Quotes” again, and we all know where the quotes come from, show us one of the Federalist Papers, or some other record beyond phrases showing any of the Founders arguing for absolutism in rights

Then the predictable “freedom” and “liberty” cliches, you are simplifying and over generalizing an abstract concept

And again, the Constitution was to set up the framework for Government, the mechanics on how it was to operate, and the motivation was to move beyond the absolutism they experienced in Europe. The “do’s and don’ts” were to insure one of the three branches didn’t overshadow the others, straight out of Montesquieu

The Government they feared was a strong central government, coming off the Articles they knew it was inevitable and necessary, as Hamilton showed when he assumed the States debt
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I would say that EVERY American needs an automatic weapon of sorts..........at the very least, to fulfill their duty and obligation to protect freedom and liberty. we can always make exceptions for cowards like you, though.

should war ever come, you can work in the back of the line preparing first aid kits or something.
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Wait a minute, so now owning a gun makes one patriotic?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
but governments demand for power is not. I guess nobody taught you that. too busy listening to idiots tell you that 'we are the government', which is so not true.
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I guess in your world then the Government, the very Government the Founders created, is the enemy, evil, always conspiring against you, I believe there is a word for that
 
archives said:
I guess in your world then the Government, the very Government the Founders created, is the enemy, evil, always conspiring against you, I believe there is a word for that
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you really didn't pay any attention to history, did you? or is it your contention that every single quote copied and pasted around the entire global internet is taken out of context and that, only you, know the absolutely correct intention of the founders?

"Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins ... Society is in every state a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. — THOMAS PAINE"
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Here is one sport. https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/beto-orourke-guns-democratic-debate/index.html
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I know that it's on shaky ground legally, but if it were just a matter of my preference, I would favor the confiscation of para-military weapons as well.

Buy something with a beautiful, polished walnut stock and stop looking like some fucking goober--that's my philosophy.
I'm not anti gun. Just anti-goober.
Your a geriatric like I, EE.
You shouldn't be into playing soldier either.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I know that it's on shaky ground legally, but if it were just a matter of my preference, I would favor the confiscation of para-military weapons as well.

Buy something with a beautiful, polished walnut stock and stop looking like some fucking goober--that's my philosophy.
I'm not anti gun. Just anti-goober.
Your a geriatric like I, EE.
You shouldn't be into playing soldier either.
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The Germans blamed the Jews for the Great Depression and the Treaty of Versailles. How did that work out for both of them?

Once you embark on the path to authoritarianism, others will always be willing to go the extra step. Best to preserve freedom and solve the actual problems, not the symptoms of problems.
 
Doc Dutch said:
The Germans blamed the Jews for the Great Depression and the Treaty of Versailles. How did that work out for both of them?

Once you embark on the path to authoritarianism, others will always be willing to go the extra step. Best to preserve freedom and solve the actual problems, not the symptoms of problems.
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The comment that you really needed to add was that I wrote "Your" instead of "You're" in my last post.
That was the first problem that needed fixing.

As for solving the catastrophic problems, catastrophic problems can only be addressed with radical solutions.
There are no moderate solutions to catastrophic problems,
but those are that for which timid people are wasting their time looking.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The comment that you really needed to add was that I wrote "Your" instead of "You're" in my last post.
That was the first problem that needed fixing.

As for solving the catastrophic problems, catastrophic problems can only be addressed with radical solutions.
There are no moderate solutions to catastrophic problems,
but those are that for which timid people are wasting their time looking.
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^^^
Dodges the issue to become a Grammar Nazi. :rofl2:

Follows up with Yankee gobbledygook.
 
Doc Dutch said:
^^^
Dodges the issue to become a Grammar Nazi. :rofl2:

Follows up with Yankee gobbledygook.
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1. Grammar Nazis are one of our last hopes to rescue civilization. I accept their correction when I fuck up.

2. So you think that there ARE moderate solutions to immoderate problems?

This isn't gobbledygook, Oom.
This is at the heart of our being in the intellectual dark age that we're presently trying to survive.
 
Almost any rifle can be made to rapid fire.

U.S. appeals court blocks a ban on rapid-fire 'bump stocks'
NPR
https://www.npr.org › 2023/01/07 › bump-stocks-ban-str...
Jan 7, 2023 — NEW ORLEANS — A Trump administration ban on bump stocks — devices that enable a shooter to rapidly fire multiple rounds from semi-automatic ...
 
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