Russian casualties now exceed 200k

Cypress said:
How Russia Lost '200,000 Soldiers' in Ukraine

Pavel Luzin, a Russian political analyst and visiting scholar said that such colossal casualties had damaged the "organizational integrity" of the Russian Armed Forces. Russia has lost not only soldiers, but also many officers on the battlefield in Ukraine.

"Russia lost a generation of officers, especially if we speak about bottom-level officers like lieutenants and captains," Luzin added. "The most professional units have been lost already, and most of them [were] lost in the first six months of the war."

Poor leadership within the Kremlin is partly to blame for the death toll, said Luzin, noting that Russian military chiefs played only a minor role during planning for the war.

"The main role was played by intelligence officers around Vladimir Putin, by FSB guys and so on. They believed they needed [Russia's] Armed Forces just for fire support. They believed that they [had] the situation in Ukraine under their control," he said.

But reality turned out to be vastly different to what the Russian Armed Forces were expecting, said Luzin. "The military leadership commanders were not prepared for this. And that's why they lost so many elite troops.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-lost-200000-soldiers-ukraine-1800426?amp=1
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Somehow, I seriously doubt that. That would be on the order of over 10,000 casualties a month. Doesn't happen in warfare. You can't point to any modern war where the casualty rate for a small theater of operations sustained that level of constant casualties over more than a year of fighting.

That isn't to say Russia isn't taking serious losses, but numbers like the one in that article are simply absurd. I'm reminded of the US claims in Vietnam, where the news would put up the daily casualty numbers. Those turned out in the long run to be nothing but utter fantasy.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Somehow, I seriously doubt that. That would be on the order of over 10,000 casualties a month. Doesn't happen in warfare. You can't point to any modern war where the casualty rate for a small theater of operations sustained that level of constant casualties over more than a year of fighting.

That isn't to say Russia isn't taking serious losses, but numbers like the one in that article are simply absurd. I'm reminded of the US claims in Vietnam, where the news would put up the daily casualty numbers. Those turned out in the long run to be nothing but utter fantasy.
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In Vietnam, we still had reporters viewing and wring about the war. Bush ended that in Iraq. The military knows that the people are mostly against war. So keep them stupid and lie to them.
 
Cypress said:
If the future United States is ever invaded by a superpower China, I don't want you on my side, because you will be telling Americans freedom isn't worth mass casualties, and it's better to surrender than to see downtown San Diego and Phoenix destroyed
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I am not saying they shouldn’t fight I’m saying they can’t win on their own.

It’s not about their will to fight it’s about how much they have to fight with.

This is not a war like Vietnam or Afghanistan it’s a war of attrition and Ukraine simply doesn’t have the supplies to outlast Russia
 
Nordberg said:
In Vietnam, we still had reporters viewing and wring about the war. Bush ended that in Iraq. The military knows that the people are mostly against war. So keep them stupid and lie to them.
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The reason after Vietnam the military stopped letting the press have free reign and access was the press frequently was hostile to the military and even when they were friendly, often got things wrong or reported on stuff that really wasn't true, the fog of war being what it is.

People are against unnecessary warfare. The press often puts their personal politics ahead of objective reporting and that's what got them into trouble with the military.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
I am not saying they shouldn’t fight I’m saying they can’t win on their own.
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I have no doubt you were in the clique, along with Stone, Earl, Moon, et al. who were giddy with excitement and predicted Ukraine would be overrun and submit within a week of the invasion.

Therefore, I put no weight or confidence in your predictions.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Somehow, I seriously doubt that. That would be on the order of over 10,000 casualties a month. Doesn't happen in warfare. You can't point to any modern war where the casualty rate for a small theater of operations sustained that level of constant casualties over more than a year of fighting.

That isn't to say Russia isn't taking serious losses, but numbers like the one in that article are simply absurd. I'm reminded of the US claims in Vietnam, where the news would put up the daily casualty numbers. Those turned out in the long run to be nothing but utter fantasy.
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Ukraine isn't a "small theater of operations". Ukraine is twice the size of Germany, and in the last 15 months probably several million men have done tours of duty in the meat grinder
 
Cypress said:
I have no doubt you were in the clique, along with Stone, Earl, Moon, et al. who were giddy with excitement and predicted Ukraine would be overrun and submit within a week of the invasion.

Therefore, I put no weight or confidence in your predictions.
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Well you can look up the numbers for yourself and then tell us how Ukraine can possibly hold on without major military intervention from a western power
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Well you can look up the numbers for yourself and then tell us how Ukraine can possibly hold on without major military intervention from a western power
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The Russian mission to destroy Ukraine until what is left of it agrees to do what it must, be neutral, is going swimmingly.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Russian mission to destroy Ukraine until what is left of it agrees to do what it must, be neutral, is going swimmingly.
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Russia is wearing them down and making the world bored of the war.

Had they gone in there with everything they had the western nations would have panicked and rushed to Ukraines aid.

Putin doesn’t care if this takes five years because he knows he will win in the end.

Putin hasn’t even committed a tenth of his military to this conflict while Ukraine has 100% committed

This isn’t rocket science
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Russia is wearing them down and making the world bored of the war.

Had they gone in there with everything they had the western nations would have panicked and rushed to Ukraines aid.

Putin doesn’t care if this takes five years because he knows he will win in the end.

Putin hasn’t even committed a tenth of his military to this conflict while Ukraine has 100% committed

This isn’t rocket science
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More than that it has shown the Western leaders to be incompetent, it has shown that NATO is now nearly useless, and it has shown that the western arms industry is now mostly gone. The next time we try to use the American military we will find that it too is just a shadow of what it used to be, it has been wrecked with corruption, incompetence and WOKE.

It has also shown the extent to which we are lied to.... by the leaders, by the "experts", and by the Mind Molders (nee journalists).
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Move than that it has shown the Western leaders to be incompetent, it has shown that NATO is now nearly useless, and it has shown that the western arms industry is now mostly gone.

The next time we try to use the American military we will find that it too is just a shadow of what it used to be, it has been wrecked with corruption, incompetence and WOKE.

It has also shown the extent to which we are lied to.... by the leaders, by the "experts", and by the Mind Molders (nee journalists).
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Hence, of course, why there are so many dead fucking Russians. It makes perfect sense!!! LOL
 
Re the American military it would be better if tomorrow every Two Star and above was fired. Half the One Stars need to go too, but you gotta get the right ones so maybe they stay.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Hence, of course, why there are so many dead fucking Russians. It makes perfect sense!!! LOL
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Ukraine has their share of casualties also, last time I checked it was around 130,000 which is roughly half of their fighting soldiers

For comparison, Russia has four times that many of active soldiers
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Ukraine has their share of casualties also, last time I checked it was around 130,000 which is roughly half of their fighting soldiers

For comparison, Russia has four times that many of active soldiers
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Soldiers or women and kids, Tink?

Regardless, you are saying the Russians can win a foreign war of attrition. I’m saying “No, they can’t”.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Ukraine has their share of casualties also, last time I checked it was around 130,000 which is roughly half of their fighting soldiers

For comparison, Russia has four times that many of active soldiers
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The lowest estimates from credible sources has Ukraine casualties over the entire war at five times the Russians at the least, they run up to eight. However the pace of killing Ukrainians are really picked up in recent weeks with the Russians taking relatively few, as they have been very careful....methodical....and smart.

And that is even before we talk about Ukrainian civilian casualties.
 
The Ukrainians are just dumb/desperate....the Russians have taken to pulling back over a few miles of the front, the Ukrainians rush in thinking that the Russians must be weak on that part of the line, and then the Russians slaughter them from three sides.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Soldiers or women and kids, Tink?

Regardless, you are saying the Russians can win a foreign war of attrition. I’m saying “No, they can’t”.
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Regular trained soldiers.

They also have over 200,000 conscripts and over 7 million men of age if they want to draft them.

Ukraine already has everyone fighting and they are not really getting replacements for them.

A conservative estimate is that they have about 150,000 soldiers left
 
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