Russian casualties now exceed 200k

[serendipity]

So I wonder how many Ukrainians have been killed, I am guessing at least double that. It will take a generation or more before the wounds start to heal.

Britain has delivered long-range ‘Storm Shadow’ cruise missiles to Ukraine ahead of expected counteroffensive, sources say

UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, calling the donation Ukraine’s “best chance to defend themselves against Russia’s continued brutality,” confirmed the transaction on Thursday after CNN exclusively reported the deal.

The Storm Shadow is a long-range cruise missile with stealth capabilities, jointly developed by the UK and France, which is typically launched from the air. With a firing range in excess of 250km, or 155 miles, it is just short of the 185-mile range capability of the US-made surface-to-surface Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, that Ukraine has long asked for.

Critically, the Storm Shadow has the range to strike deep into Russian-held territory in Eastern Ukraine. A Western official told CNN that the UK has received assurances from the Ukrainian government that these missiles will be used only within Ukrainian sovereign territory and not inside Russia. UK officials have made frequent public statements identifying Crimea as Ukrainian sovereign territory, describing it as “illegally annexed.”

The missile is “a real game changer from a range perspective,” a senior US military official told CNN and gives Kyiv a capability it has been requesting since the outset of the war. As CNN has reported, Ukraine’s current maximum range on US-provided weapons is around 49 miles.

The deployment of the missiles comes as Ukrainian forces prepare to launch a counteroffensive intended to retake Kremlin-held territory in the eastern and the southern parts of the country.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country still needs “a bit more time” before it launches the counteroffensive, in order to allow some more of the promised Western military aid to arrive in country.


“With [what we have] we can go forward and be successful,” Zelensky told European public service broadcasters in an interview published on Thursday. “But we’d lose a lot of people. I think that’s unacceptable.”

“So we need to wait. We still need a bit more time,” he added. Among the supplies Ukraine is still waiting for are armored vehicles – including tanks – which Zelensky said were “arriving in batches.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/politics/uk-storm-shadow-cruise-missiles-ukraine/index.html

 

[serendipity]

So I wonder how many Ukrainians have been killed, I am guessing at least double that. It will take a generation or more before the wounds start to heal.

Best estimates I've seen are Ukrainians have lost about half as many soldiers as the Russians, but playing defense usually means less casualties than for the invader

You may be right but I have my doubts.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Be able to hit, or come close to hitting Moscow is a major move by the Ukrainians. They are also using that capability to hit logistic hubs far behind the line, even into Russia proper. This means that when the Ukrainian offensive begins, the Russian troops will have severe shortages.

The Russians seem to be depending partly on shock troops. They take a recruit, whether drafted, grabbed at work, or taken out of prison, give him a day of military training, give him a gun, and pump him full of drugs. If done right, that can win territory, with losses among people that Putin does not care about. If done wrong, they will be mowed down by machine guns, and do nothing but force the Ukrainians to spend $10 worth of bullets to kill each one.

Maybe I am too hopeful, but there is a real possibility that Ukraine will be able to cross the Dnieper River, and make for the Black Sea, cutting the land route from Russia to Crimea. Western river crossing military tech, while untested, is very good. If it works out, a big if, then a major Ukrainian victory is possible.

Agreed about cutting supply lines. Wars are won on logistics. If troops don’t have bullets, beans and bandaids, they just become targets.

I think the main reason for the Ukrainian or resistance attacks in Russia is to force Putin to keep more troops in Russia and, secondarily, force Putin to start using strong arm tactics inside Russia against Russians. This will cause greater dissent among Russian citizens and, hopefully, hasten the day Putin takes his final flight out of a tenth story hospital window.

 

[Yakuda]

How Russia Lost '200,000 Soldiers' in Ukraine

Pavel Luzin, a Russian political analyst and visiting scholar said that such colossal casualties had damaged the "organizational integrity" of the Russian Armed Forces. Russia has lost not only soldiers, but also many officers on the battlefield in Ukraine.

"Russia lost a generation of officers, especially if we speak about bottom-level officers like lieutenants and captains," Luzin added. "The most professional units have been lost already, and most of them [were] lost in the first six months of the war."

Poor leadership within the Kremlin is partly to blame for the death toll, said Luzin, noting that Russian military chiefs played only a minor role during planning for the war.

"The main role was played by intelligence officers around Vladimir Putin, by FSB guys and so on. They believed they needed [Russia's] Armed Forces just for fire support. They believed that they [had] the situation in Ukraine under their control," he said.

But reality turned out to be vastly different to what the Russian Armed Forces were expecting, said Luzin. "The military leadership commanders were not prepared for this. And that's why they lost so many elite troops.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-lost-200000-soldiers-ukraine-1800426?amp=1

So what?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So what?

If you weren’t such a fucking moron, then you’d realize the significance of losing so many military personnel.

 

[Cypress]

So what?

First, Putin and his MAGA fans here were giggling 15 months ago that Vlad would subdue Ukraine in 48 hours.

Second, the decimation of the professional officer corps in a nation's army drastically reduces it's effectiveness and ability to carry out combined arms offensive operations

 

[Yakuda]

First, Putin and his MAGA fans here were giggling 15 months ago that Vlad would subdue Ukraine in 48 hours.

Second, the decimation of the professional officer corps in a nation's army drastically reduces it's effectiveness and ability to carry out combined arms offensive operations

Ok. Ive consistently said I couldn't give a shit if both sides kill each other off. That in fact would be the best possible outcome.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

I wonder how many Ukrainians has been killed?

You will notice how the author skips over that part.

He also won’t mention how many soldiers each side has left because it would destroy his pro Ukraine narrative

 

[Walt]

Agreed about cutting supply lines. Wars are won on logistics. If troops don’t have bullets, beans and bandaids, they just become targets.

I think the main reason for the Ukrainian or resistance attacks in Russia is to force Putin to keep more troops in Russia and, secondarily, force Putin to start using strong arm tactics inside Russia against Russians. This will cause greater dissent among Russian citizens and, hopefully, hasten the day Putin takes his final flight out of a tenth story hospital window.

Did you see when Fox "News" had to announce Bin Laden had been killed. They went into practical mourning, not so much because they supported Bin Laden, but because they hated Obama had been the one to get him.

I suspect that many in the alt right will be in absolute mourning when Putin dies, and it is because they love him.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Did you see when Fox "News" had to announce Bin Laden had been killed. They went into practical mourning, not so much because they supported Bin Laden, but because they hated Obama had been the one to get him.

I suspect that many in the alt right will be in absolute mourning when Putin dies, and it is because they love him.

LOL. Sorry, I missed that one, but have seen similar reactions on lesser events.

Agreed that, like many JPP Trumpers, Fox would mourn the passing of Putin.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You will notice how the author skips over that part.

He also won’t mention how many soldiers each side has left because it would destroy his pro Ukraine narrative

Why do you hate the Ukrainians so much and love the Russian war criminals, Tink?

 

[Cypress]

You will notice how the author skips over that part.

He also won’t mention how many soldiers each side has left because it would destroy his pro Ukraine narrative

Rightwingers have spent entire message board careers hollering about fighting to the death for freedom and country.

Explain why in the last 15 months, MAGAs have abandoned that principle and now demand Ukrainians surrender before they lose more people

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Why do you hate the Ukrainians so much and love the Russian war criminals, Tink?

I don’t, I am just observing facts.

I have no connections to either nation but I have studied conflicts so that is why I am interested

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Rightwingers have spent entire message board careers hollering about fighting to the death for freedom and country.

Explain why in the last 15 months, MAGAs have abandoned that principle and now demand Ukrainians surrender before they lose more people

They can do whatever they want but it’s a lost cause.

Nobody is coming to rescue them.

I wish them the best

 

[Nordberg]

During a war, statistics are guesses. Nobody knows how many of each side have died or how well they are equipped to go on. However, Russia is making a forever enemy in Ukraine. Win or lose, they will never feel safe again. They have created generations of Ukrainians and other close countries who will hate and distrust them forever. Whether they will raid Russian towns to get retribution is unknown. But they will feel the hate.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don’t, I am just observing facts.

I have no connections to either nation but I have studied conflicts so that is why I am interested

The Ghost Hunting Trumper a factual person? LOL. I disagree.

Why did the USSR lose in Afghanistan? The US in Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan? Why can Putin never win in Ukraine? Hint: guerrilla warfare.

 

[signalmankenneth]

How Russia Lost '200,000 Soldiers' in Ukraine

Pavel Luzin, a Russian political analyst and visiting scholar said that such colossal casualties had damaged the "organizational integrity" of the Russian Armed Forces. Russia has lost not only soldiers, but also many officers on the battlefield in Ukraine.

"Russia lost a generation of officers, especially if we speak about bottom-level officers like lieutenants and captains," Luzin added. "The most professional units have been lost already, and most of them [were] lost in the first six months of the war."

Poor leadership within the Kremlin is partly to blame for the death toll, said Luzin, noting that Russian military chiefs played only a minor role during planning for the war.

"The main role was played by intelligence officers around Vladimir Putin, by FSB guys and so on. They believed they needed [Russia's] Armed Forces just for fire support. They believed that they [had] the situation in Ukraine under their control," he said.

But reality turned out to be vastly different to what the Russian Armed Forces were expecting, said Luzin. "The military leadership commanders were not prepared for this. And that's why they lost so many elite troops.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-lost-200000-soldiers-ukraine-1800426?amp=1

Putin is not worth of all those Russian soldiers lives?!! I don't understand his mind-set, he has loads of money, a mansion and mega yacht he should be enjoying the good life instead of waging war on one's neighbor, now he is an international pariah and war criminal?!!

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Putin is not worth of all those Russian soldiers lives?!! I don't understand his mind-set, he has loads of money, a mansion and mega yacht he should be enjoying the good life instead of waging war on one's neighbor, now he is an international pariah and war criminal?!!

Many people are not motivated by money or stuff

 

[Cypress]

They can do whatever they want but it’s a lost cause.

Nobody is coming to rescue them.

I wish them the best

If the future United States is ever invaded by a superpower China, I don't want you on my side, because you will be telling Americans freedom isn't worth mass casualties, and it's better to surrender than to see downtown San Diego and Phoenix destroyed

 

[Stone]

If the future United States is ever invaded by a superpower China, I don't want you on my side, because you will be telling Americans freedom isn't worth mass casualties, and it's better to surrender than to see downtown San Diego and Phoenix destroyed

When exactly are you strapping on the gear and heading over to Ukraine to join the cause? Im sure they will welcome you with open arms. Better hurry though,... for obvious reasons.