Daniel Penny charged with manslaughter in Jordan Neely’s subway chokehold death

ZenMode said:
I don't know exactly why Penny did what he did. Neely threatening people certainly isn't the only reason Penny may have acted.
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I dont either but given Neely's history I think it's a very legitimate argument to make that Penny was responding to a threat. Maybe Penny has PTSD from his time in the military and had a flashback on the subway. Plausible I'd say but, IMO not as likely as the other argument unless they show that Penny had PTSD.
 
ZenMode said:
Ok, and you believe the intentionally cutting off the blood supply to someone's brain, resulting in unconsciousness, isn't negligence in itself?
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obviously not, since it is done without consequences frequently.......it is a recognized restraint technique taught to our military.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
obviously not, since it is done without consequences frequently.......it is a recognized restraint technique taught to our military.......
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Drinking and driving is done without consequence all the time. Beating your spouse/kids is done without consequence all the time. Penny wasn't just trying to restrain Neely he was intentionally trying to cause him to lose consciousness. That, in itself, in negligent. Penny has no right/authority to take that action.
 
ZenMode said:
Drinking and driving is done without consequence all the time. Beating your spouse/kids is done without consequence all the time.
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interestingly, the exception to the negligence per se rule is action which violates a statute.....look, no charge for the lesson in tort law, but you're wasting my time.....go ask jarot for your next lesson......he's got tons of time on his hands.......
 
ZenMode said:
Drinking and driving is done without consequence all the time. Beating your spouse/kids is done without consequence all the time. Penny wasn't just trying to restrain Neely he was intentionally trying to cause him to lose consciousness. That, in itself, in negligent. Penny has no right/authority to take that action.
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WTF are you babbling about?
You'd be the first (coward) one to cry when no one would jump in to rectify a threatening situation. Penny did just that, and you crucify him for his efforts.
 
Interesting how the protests were so well organized...how did they do that without a heads up and assistance?
( Btw...Watch Al Sharpton make the situation 100 times worse today....)
 
Where are the toxicology reports for Jordan Neely...We know (information from a family member) that he was self medicating with K2...was this a contributing factor to his erratic and violent behavior...and his death...that day?
 
What method would be the suggested one... considering that none of us were there at the moment...
 
RB 60 said:
If you were there, you wouldn't care what method he used...so long as he jumped in to save your sorry ass.
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Exactly... I would love to see her pulling out lox and bagels to deescalate the situation...
 
Yakuda said:
I dont either but given Neely's history I think it's a very legitimate argument to make that Penny was responding to a threat. Maybe Penny has PTSD from his time in the military and had a flashback on the subway. Plausible I'd say but, IMO not as likely as the other argument unless they show that Penny had PTSD.
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I don't know how much of a threat it could have realistically been, given that Neely had no weapons other than apparently some trash he was throwing around. What I do know is that people are restrained, including by trained law enforcement, without being intentionally rendered unconscious. Penny chose to restrain Neely in the manner that he did, which is inherently reckless.
 
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ZenMode said:
I don't know how much of a threat it could have realistically been, given that Neely had no weapons other than apparently some trash he was throwing around. What I do know is that people are restrained, including by train law enforcement, without being intentionally rendered unconscious. Penny shows to restrain Neely in the manner that he did, which is inherently reckless.
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Well, no.

The reckless action was by the thug (arrested more than 40 times, attacked a woman by hitting her in the face) by his threats of violence.

The Marine is a hero and one less violent loon is threatening riders on the NYC subway.



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Earl said:
Well, no.

The reckless action was by the thug (arrested more than 40 times, attacked a woman by hitting her in the face) by his threats of violence.

The Marine is a hero and one less violent loon is threatening riders on the NYC subway.


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May 5, 2023 — Two years after the assault on Baltazar, Neely was once again arrested for punching a 67-year-old female in the face as she exited the New ...
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If anybody takes the time to think about this rationally had there not been true concern for the welfare of the other passengers in the car Daniel Penny would not have stepped in to try to diffuse the situation... those who think the offer of a granola bar would have done the job are delusional... it was 2:30 in the afternoon... was Mr Neely having a psychotic episode because of the self-medicating drugs he was taking? One of the important questions to be answered...
 
RB 60 said:
If you were there, you wouldn't care what method he used...so long as he jumped in to save your sorry ass.
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I don’t think anyone was being attacked, and there are ways to restrain people without choking them to death. You have no idea what I have experienced in my life, so don’t ASSume things.
 
RB 60 said:
If you were there, you wouldn't care what method he used...so long as he jumped in to save your sorry ass.
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Indeed.

If the thug had been White and the person who stopped the threats had been Black, Phantasmal would be singing a different tune.

The Mujer de bujo too.
 
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Phantasmal said:
I don’t think anyone was being attacked, and there are ways to restrain people without choking them to death. You have no idea what I have experienced in my life, so don’t ASSume things.
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It's interesting that airline crews are able to subdue unruly, drunk, or nutzo passengers w/o killing them, isn't it?
 
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