the Penny lunacy.

[Nomad]

You mean like using phrases like "vengeance lust"?

No, I don't.

I mean like forming knee-jerk assumptions about which side is the villain and which side is the innocent victim before all the facts have come out based on irrelevant factors such as the ethnicity and the difference in socio economic status of the parties involved.

It's natural and normal to form and express opinions. I've expressed a couple myself in terms of what I think might have happened and how I hope it turns out based on initial impressions.

But looking through this thread, it seems that people are making legal pronouncements and talking about what did and did not happen and what can and cannot be, etc, etc, etc.

And it all seems to be guided by which political ideology they subscribe to.

IOW, which uniform they wear.

The ones who are engaging in "vengeance lust" by demanding Perry must be punished are wearing the blue team's uniform.

The ones who are cheering what Perry did and the outcome, are wearing the red team's uniform.

I usually wear the blue team's uniform myself, but every once in awhile I'll sit in the red section and wear their jersey if not the entire uniform.

I think I'm sort of siding with the red team on this one, but I understand I could end up being wrong if something new comes out about Perry or his actions.

But either way, I don't think society should expect aggressive street people to be treated with kid gloves when they act in a threatening manner in public towards innocent citizens.

Especially in today's climate of random public violence and almost weekly mass shootings, random stabbings, etc.

If the guy died as a result of others being protected from his threatening manner, that's unfortunate but life is not always equitable.

Better him than some law-abiding person minding their own business.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Texas law
Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:

Texas is a shithole and shouldn't be part of this country.

 

[Theywillneverlearn!]

Texas is a shithole and shouldn't be part of this country.

That is exactly what they say about Massachusetts in Texas...

 

[NiftyNiblick]

That is exactly what they say about Massachusetts in Texas...

Time to part ways.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

No, I don't.

I mean like forming knee-jerk assumptions about which side is the villain and which side is the innocent victim before all the facts have come out based on irrelevant factors such as the ethnicity and the difference in socio economic status of the parties involved.

It's natural and normal to form and express opinions. I've expressed a couple myself in terms of what I think might have happened and how I hope it turns out based on initial impressions.

But looking through this thread, it seems that people are making legal pronouncements and talking about what did and did not happen and what can and cannot be, etc, etc, etc.

And it all seems to be guided by which political ideology they subscribe to.

IOW, which uniform they wear.

The ones who are engaging in "vengeance lust" by demanding Perry must be punished are wearing the blue team's uniform.

The ones who are cheering what Perry did and the outcome, are wearing the red team's uniform.

I usually wear the blue team's uniform myself, but every once in awhile I'll sit in the red section and wear their jersey if not the entire uniform.

I think I'm sort of siding with the red team on this one, but I understand I could end up being wrong if something new comes out about Perry or his actions.

But either way, I don't think society should expect aggressive street people to be treated with kid gloves when they act in a threatening manner in public towards innocent citizens.

Especially in today's climate of random public violence and almost weekly mass shootings, random stabbings, etc.

If the guy died as a result of others being protected from his threatening manner, that's unfortunate but life is not always equitable.

Better him than some law-abiding person minding their own business.

Why do we need to be seen as belonging to one team or the other? Is it that hard to see both sides of an event w/o the political slant? IMO the dead guy was a mentally disturbed young man, possibly high on something. He acted in a frightening manner in a public space. Some citizens restrained him, one fatally.

IMO the dead guy is not a villain nor are the citizens heroes. They're just ppl doing what we hope most of us would also do in a similar situation. IMO the accused didn't intend to cause his death, yet he did. I have no clue what a jury will decide. Was the accused personally threatened by this guy, or was someone traveling with him? Did he ignore the signs that the guy was in mortal distress and continue with the chokehold? Since some here seem to believe that the dead guy's criminal record should be considered, what of the accused? Did HE have a record of violence, outside of his military service?

Events like this have many layers and cannot be boiled down to a simple "Yay, that guy's a hero for killing that criminal who was verbally abusive!" or "That poor dead black guy didn't deserve that racist lynching."

 

[Jarod]

I certainly have not made my mind up about the charges against Penny. I haven’t seen the video, the public has not seen the video, but the prosecutors have seen the video. If the case goes forward, we will all see the video, and then we can have an opinion.

People like Ron DeSantos are out trying to make political hay of this. I think that’s shameful. I think it’s a shame to even have an opinion when you haven’t seen the evidence.

 

[Yakuda]

I certainly have not made my mind up about the charges against Penny. I haven’t seen the video, the public has not seen the video, but the prosecutors have seen the video. If the case goes forward, we will all see the video, and then we can have an opinion.

People like Ron DeSantos are out trying to make political hay of this. I think that’s shameful. I think it’s a shame to even have an opinion when you haven’t seen the evidence.

We can have an opinion any fucking time we like. Based on what we know, Neely had mental health problems and posed a daily threat to people in the subway. He had physically assaulted people in the past and the leftist run legal system in that shithole state REFUSED to do do anything to keep people safe. Why the fuck should people just trying to live their lives have to be exposed that shit day in and day out?

People like Jarod use EVERY opportunity to make political hay out of everything. You don't give a shit about Neely

 

[Nomad]

Why do we need to be seen as belonging to one team or the other?

Good question and pretty much the same point I was making.

As to your inclusion of the words "SEEN AS".... we are seen as the way we present ourselves.

If we go on public message boards and obstinately argue the most extreme positions one way or the other before all the facts are known, then we are in effect, presenting ourselves as a member of a "team" aka taking sides, and in effect, "wearing the uniform" of that team.

I'm not saying you in particular are doing that because I haven't memorized who has said what in this thread, but the general impression I've gotten is that many of the participants in this conversation have made up their minds as to who should be blamed for what, etc, etc.

Is it that hard to see both sides of an event w/o the political slant? IMO the dead guy was a mentally disturbed young man, possibly high on something. He acted in a frightening manner in a public space. Some citizens restrained him, one fatally.

IMO the dead guy is not a villain nor are the citizens heroes. They're just ppl doing what we hope most of us would also do in a similar situation. IMO the accused didn't intend to cause his death, yet he did. I have no clue what a jury will decide. Was the accused personally threatened by this guy, or was someone traveling with him? Did he ignore the signs that the guy was in mortal distress and continue with the chokehold? Since some here seem to believe that the dead guy's criminal record should be considered, what of the accused? Did HE have a record of violence, outside of his military service?

Events like this have many layers and cannot be boiled down to a simple "Yay, that guy's a hero for killing that criminal who was verbally abusive!" or "That poor dead black guy didn't deserve that racist lynching."

My point exactly.

You're "preaching to the choir" with me.

 

[Nomad]

We can have an opinion any fucking time we like. Based on what we know, Neely had mental health problems and posed a daily threat to people in the subway. He had physically assaulted people in the past and the leftist run legal system in that shithole state REFUSED to do do anything to keep people safe. Why the fuck should people just trying to live their lives have to be exposed that shit day in and day out?

People like Jarod use EVERY opportunity to make political hay out of everything. You don't give a shit about Neely

And everyone else can have an opinion about YOUR opinion any fucking time WE like.

If some of us think your opinion is fucking stupid, ignorant and totally lacking in any value, we'll be sure to let you know.

Works out great, doesn't it?

 

[Nomad]

I certainly have not made my mind up about the charges against Penny. I haven’t seen the video, the public has not seen the video, but the prosecutors have seen the video. If the case goes forward, we will all see the video, and then we can have an opinion.

People like Ron DeSantos are out trying to make political hay of this. I think that’s shameful. I think it’s a shame to even have an opinion when you haven’t seen the evidence.

Personally, I wouldn't go as far as to call it "a shame", but it does kind of lessen one's credibility.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I certainly have not made my mind up about the charges against Penny. I haven’t seen the video, the public has not seen the video, but the prosecutors have seen the video. If the case goes forward, we will all see the video, and then we can have an opinion.

People like Ron DeSantos are out trying to make political hay of this. I think that’s shameful. I think it’s a shame to even have an opinion when you haven’t seen the evidence.

That's what Reichwingers do. The fact that the dead guy was non-white probably has helped fuel their belief that the accused did nothing wrong. Notice how quickly the Reichwingers' favorite sites dug up the alleged criminal record of the dead guy and waved that in their imbecile faces. Some LW sites did the same thing with the fact that the accused is white and the dead guy is not, trying to add racial overtones to the sad event.