Daniel Penny charged with manslaughter in Jordan Neely’s subway chokehold death

Yakuda said:
No you wrote: "Using lethal force is perfectly reasonable IF there's a threat on your life..." Neely was well.knkwn to the people I t be subway. He had threatened and assaulted people in the past and was doing it so that day UNLESS youre claiming Penny just walked up to him and starting choking him
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Again, lethal force is warranted and legal if there is a threat on yours or somebody else's life. Choking somebody to death on the subway, when they are not threatening anyone's life, should not be viewed as acceptable.

If someone is acting erratically, dangerously or threatening to assault people, I have no issue with restraining them until police arrive. However, if you kill that person while in the process of restraining them, that is not okay.
 
TOP said:
He certainly should not have been charged..
He was protecting himself and others on the train from an obviously very disturbed man...
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The guy that died tried to kidnap a 7 year old and assaulted an older woman broke her nose and gave her a concussion had had been arrested over 40 times. He was violent dangerous person.
 
ExpressLane said:
The guy that died tried to kidnap a 7 year old and assaulted an older woman broke her nose and gave her a concussion had had been arrested over 40 times. He was violent dangerous person.
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And apparently he was very hostile and violent that day... a very dangerous situation.. truthfully why wasn't he in jail or institutionalized I believe he even had a warrant that was current... it is unfortunate that he lost his life but Mr Penny was only protecting himself and the other passengers ..
 
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I've seen other people devaluing Neely because he's homeless and presumably has mental issues.
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why discount the fact he had a history of assaulting people on the subway and Bragg devalued him by leaving him unprosecuted?.....
 
ExpressLane said:
The guy that died tried to kidnap a 7 year old and assaulted an older woman broke her nose and gave her a concussion had had been arrested over 40 times. He was violent dangerous person.
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not in Bragg's jurisdiction......there you are only a violent dangerous person if you AREN'T assualting people......
 
ZenMode said:
Again, lethal force is warranted and legal if there is a threat on yours or somebody else's life. Choking somebody to death on the subway, when they are not threatening anyone's life, should not be viewed as acceptable.

If someone is acting erratically, dangerously or threatening to assault people, I have no issue with restraining them until police arrive. However, if you kill that person while in the process of restraining them, that is not okay.
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But penny didnt choke Neely because he was sitting quietly in his seat. Again unless you are suggesting penny acted unilaterally.

Maybe its not ok but it's the result of people being sick and tired of the systems REFUSAL to keep violent people like Neely off the streets. His death is on their heads.
 
ZenMode said:
I've seen other people devaluing Neely because he's homeless and presumably has mental issues. I have no issue with passengers restraining someone who's acting very irradicably, but if you accidentally kill them, that's a problem.
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Lots of crazy people kill other people. His death was clearly accidental. But he certainly contributed to his own death.
 
Yakuda said:
But penny didnt choke Neely because he was sitting quietly in his seat. Again unless you are suggesting penny acted unilaterally.

Maybe its not ok but it's the result of people being sick and tired of the systems REFUSAL to keep violent people like Neely off the streets. His death is on their heads.
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Again, I have no issue with Penny or anyone else trying to restrain Neely. However, when you are in the process of doing something legal and reasonable, and you accidentally kill someone, their needs to be accountability. The cop who accidentally pulled out her gun instead of her taser is a good example. What she was trying to do was perfectly legal and reasonable, given the situation she was in, but she accidentally killed somebody. She was held accountable and, based on what is known so far, I think Penny should also be held accountable.
 
ZenMode said:
Again, I have no issue with Penny or anyone else trying to restrain Neely. However, when you are in the process of doing something legal and reasonable, and you accidentally kill someone, their needs to be accountability. The cop who accidentally pulled out her gun instead of her taser is a good example. What she was trying to do was perfectly legal and reasonable, given the situation she was in, but she accidentally killed somebody. She was held accountable and, based on what is known so far, I think Penny should also be held accountable.
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Yes he should be held accountable, for doing the job the legal system REFUSED do do.
 
Yakuda said:
Yes he should be held accountable, for doing the job the legal system REFUSED do do.
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Just because you don't agree with the legal system, does not mean you can go around killing people without cause.

It's shocking that I need to point that out.
 
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BidenPresident said:
These a-holes think Black people should be killed. End of story.
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I'm not willing to go that far. I think it's interesting that Conservatives claim to be all about law and order... except when it politically convenient not to be all about law and order in favor of vigilante justice.
 
ZenMode said:
If there's going to be a charge, manslaughter is the logical charge, IMO. Accidentally killing people is against the law... yes, even if they're homeless.
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Try explaining to these MAGA/Alt-Right jokers the degrees of manslaughter. Facts, logic and valid legal precedent/history are concepts barely recognizable by them.
 
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