21 yo E-3 arrested for Pentagon leaks of Ukraine War docs

[Bigdog]

Everything he posted online was alt right. It is the type of stuff you could have posted. Are you saying you are a "libtard"?

Do you have actual evidence? I can give you a whole list of people the leftwing media falsely accused of racism.

Anti Semitic is a leftwing plank. Always has been.

Libs were outraged at Pres. Trump's pro Israel policies, and they practically shit themselves when he protected Jews on federally funded campuses.


" President Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday that will make Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act apply to anti-Semitic acts. The order is generating concern that it will stifle free speech by those who oppose Israel's policy toward the Palestinians.

The executive order takes indirect aim at the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement that has generated intense controversy on college campuses."

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/11/7871...mitism-at-colleges-worrying-free-speech-advoc

 

[NiftyNiblick]

This is the dumbest fucking thing I've seen yet.

A 21 year old E3 is unlikely to know where the fucking latrines are, never mind classified documents.
Sorry, people, but I've been a 20-something in the Army and nobody tells you jack shit.

I don't care if you were the head of your class at West Point, never mind an E3,
if the ink isn't dry on your diploma, you don't know how to find the fucking PX.

Who ever initiated this fiasco should be court-martialed immediately. Seriously.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If someone gives us our enemies secrets, he is a hero. If someone gives our enemies our secrets, we consider him a traitor, but our enemies consider him a heroes. ...

Benedict Arnold wasn't treated as a hero in England. Sure, he helped the Empire, but a traitor is a traitor.

It's like a man who cheats on his wife. If he cheats on his vows, what other promises will he cheat on?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

How he had access to these docs has not been answered, insiders say that should have never happened, so we cant assume that all is as it appears. It might be that some very high level people or person used him as a patsy.

Do you have first hand knowledge of who can and cannot have access to classified material?

The kid worked in intel and as such had a clearance equal to or higher than the material he had access to. As an intel troop his daily job was working with classified material and depending on classification two man handling is not required. Meaning he could very easily made copies.

 

[Walt]

Benedict Arnold wasn't treated as a hero in England.

Sort of. He was given the rank and pension of a Major General, which is half the hero treatment. Had he been successful, he may have even gotten the other half. He failed to hand over West Point to the British.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Walt]

Do you have first hand knowledge of who can and cannot have access to classified material?

The kid worked in intel and as such had a clearance equal to or higher than the material he had access to. As an intel troop his daily job was working with classified material and depending on classification two man handling is not required. Meaning he could very easily made copies.

The thing that always amazed me about classified material was the sheer volume of it. If it had to all be handled by two people at all times, we would have no one left in America to do anything other than handle classified material.

There is nothing impossible about a private getting access to random classified material.

 

[Walt]

If you illegally leak anything classified against the Biden regime...

Yup, that is the defense Teixeira probably should go for. Claim that he was leaking to get Biden, and the alt right will try to get him out of prison. It is sad that alt right is willing to defend the saddest traitor.

The fact appears to be that Teixeira leaked to impress some loser online friends of his. None of this really hurts Biden as such.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Sort of. He was given the rank and pension of a Major General, which is half the hero treatment. Had he been successful, he may have even gotten the other half. He failed to hand over West Point to the British.

https://www.intel.gov/evolution-of-espionage/revolutionary-war/british-espionage/benedict-arnold
Arnold survived the war and moved with his wife Peggy to England, where he lived out the remainder of his life, mistrusted even by the British and consigned to relative obscurity. He died in London in 1801.

Nobody trusts a traitor.

 

[Walt]

Nobody trusts a traitor.

Technically, Washington was a traitor too. We treat him as a hero.

Arnold was a traitor to the British, then a traitor to the Americans. His treason to the British was not a ruse. Had it been a ruse, he would be trusted by the British.

 

[Bigdog]

Yup, that is the defense Teixeira probably should go for. Claim that he was leaking to get Biden, and the alt right will try to get him out of prison. It is sad that alt right is willing to defend the saddest traitor.

The fact appears to be that Teixeira leaked to impress some loser online friends of his. None of this really hurts Biden as such.

White supremacist Richard Spencer votes for Joe Bidenhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-8912091
Nov 4, 2020 — White supremacist Richard Spencer, known for popularising the term 'alt-right', posted a picture of his ballot paper saying 'To hell with ...

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Aug 26, 2020 — Neo-Nazi white supremacist Richard Spencer wholeheartedly endorses Joe Biden for president. This should surprise no one familiar with Biden ..."



Spencer is a bit slow. It took him a long time to figure out the Dem media lied to him about Donald Trump being a lifelong neo naxi skinhead.

How long will it take you?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Technically, Washington was a traitor too. We treat him as a hero.

Arnold was a traitor to the British, then a traitor to the Americans. His treason to the British was not a ruse. Had it been a ruse, he would be trusted by the British.

Technically.

It's like Earl, Terry, STY and the other vets on JPP who took an oath to support and defend the Constituiton but are now openly seeking to violently overthrow the Federal government and impose a RW autocrat to rule the nation. They are all traitors....unless they've renounced their oaths. In that case, if they lose, they'll still be treated as traitors by the law, but by renouncing their oaths, they are declaring war, not treason.

Same for Washington and the other Founders. The Declaration of Independence was a formal means of breaking free of England and renouncing their loyalties to the King and the British Empire.

 

[Walt]

Technically.

It's like Earl, Terry, STY and the other vets on JPP who took an oath to support and defend the Constituiton but are now openly seeking to violently overthrow the Federal government and impose a RW autocrat to rule the nation. They are all traitors....unless they've renounced their oaths. In that case, if they lose, they'll still be treated as traitors by the law, but by renouncing their oaths, they are declaring war, not treason.

Same for Washington and the other Founders. The Declaration of Independence was a formal means of breaking free of England and renouncing their loyalties to the King and the British Empire.

Renouncing your oath to your country, and making war on it is the very definition of treason. They got away with their treason, because they won.

Picture two people giving the FBI internal mob information. One is an FBI agent who lied to the mob about his name, and his allegiance. This FBI agent infiltrated the highest ranks of the mob. The other was a lifelong mobster who got caught dealing drugs, and was looking at decades in prison. The mobster made a deal with the FBI.

The FBI will have no problem trusting the FBI agent, even though he lied more to the mob than the mobster.

Had Arnold always been on the side of the British, he would be in better shape at the end of the war. He betrayed the British, made war on them, and is a major reason we won the war.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Renouncing your oath to your country, and making war on it is the very definition of treason. They got away with their treason, because they won.

Picture two people giving the FBI internal mob information. One is an FBI agent who lied to the mob about his name, and his allegiance. This FBI agent infiltrated the highest ranks of the mob. The other was a lifelong mobster who got caught dealing drugs, and was looking at decades in prison. The mobster made a deal with the FBI.

The FBI will have no problem trusting the FBI agent, even though he lied more to the mob than the mobster.

Had Arnold always been on the side of the British, he would be in better shape at the end of the war. He betrayed the British, made war on them, and is a major reason we won the war.

I'm not a lawyer, but do see a difference between someone who revolts against their own country vs. someone who took an oath to defend it. The ANG in the OP is a traitor, IMO, since he took an oath and then willfully violated it by assisting our enemies.

Same goes for all the military and ex-military Trumpers seeking to murder Americans and violently overthrow our nation.

 

[Walt]

I'm not a lawyer, but do see a difference between someone who revolts against their own country vs. someone who took an oath to defend it.

Both Washington, and Arnold took an oath to defend the British Government and the King of England. Instead, both revolted against them. Had they lost, they would have been executed as traitor(or pardoned as guilty traitors to move the peace process along).

Now let's compare that to John Andre. John Andre claimed to be an American civilian linked to the American Army. He was a British Army officer. The British Army never lost any trust in him, because he never betrayed the British.

Same goes for all the military and ex-military Trumpers seeking to murder Americans and violently overthrow our nation.

If the trumpers successfully overthrow the US Government, then they will be heroes of the new fascist government.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Both Washington, and Arnold took an oath to defend the British Government and the King of England. Instead, both revolted against them. Had they lost, they would have been executed as traitor(or pardoned as guilty traitors to move the peace process along).

Now let's compare that to John Andre. John Andre claimed to be an American civilian linked to the American Army. He was a British Army officer. The British Army never lost any trust in him, because he never betrayed the British.

If the trumpers successfully overthrow the US Government, then they will be heroes of the new fascist government.

Nonetheless, they formally renounced the allegiance before declaring war.

There's a difference which you don't seem to understand or accept.

 

[Walt]

Nonetheless, they formally renounced the allegiance before declaring war.

Formally renouncing your oath to your country, and making an oath to the enemy of your country is called treason, and can be used as evidence of treason in a trial.

For instance, if someone releases a video of them renouncing their US Army oath, and instead making an oath to Al Qaeda, that video would be evidence of treason. The traitor would not actually have to do anything more.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Formally renouncing your oath to your country, and making an oath to the enemy of your country is called treason, and can be used as evidence of treason in a trial.

For instance, if someone releases a video of them renouncing their US Army oath, and instead making an oath to Al Qaeda, that video would be evidence of treason. The traitor would not actually have to do anything more.

Obviously you and I disagree on the fine point.

 

[Hawkeye10]

This idea that this leak was maybe done by high level people either in the Pentagon or the CIA who are upset with the Revolutions disastrous foreign policy, most specifically that Russia and China are fully united now in their mission to end the USA as a World power and will kick our ass, has legs.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The Revolution will at some point learn that competence matters, performance matters.....but sadly it will likely take a lot of pain to America to get there.

These are some really stupid motherfuckers.