Israeli archaeologist ; No evidence to support Israelites. Old Testament is a myth.

moon said:
Incorrect. Ze’ev Herzog worked as part of a team of Jewish archaeologists. They have trashed the myth of the Israelites. You've been deceived.




The topic is mythical Israelites. Your distaste for fact is evident in your bigotry.


Crockmeister- the Old Testament is fiction. Grow up.
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But no one denies the fact that Jews/Judeans have been there for as long as anyone can show. If anything, disproving the Exodus shows that the Jews have been there for longer. There is no break in the archeology around the time of the Exodus, instead the same population stayed there.
 
Walt said:
But no one denies the fact that Jews/Judeans have been there for as long as anyone can show. If anything, disproving the Exodus shows that the Jews have been there for longer. There is no break in the archeology around the time of the Exodus, instead the same population stayed there.
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Reason rarely works with fanatics. Jus' sayin'.
 
I never see the OT as having anything to do w/ Christianity.

There are also 2 completely different Gods in the OT vs. the NT. It's really inexplicable to try to reconcile the two.
 
Walt said:
But no one denies the fact that Jews/Judeans have been there for as long as anyone can show.
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Yes, they do. They state that there were very few Jews in Palestine at all for hundreds of years.

If anything, disproving the Exodus shows that the Jews have been there for longer.
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Not at all. It may be that there were none there to leave.

Best leave it to the archaeologists;

' This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai. Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people – and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story – now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people’s emergence are radically different from what that story tells. '

http://noahkennedy.net/zeev-herzog-a...-of-the-bible/
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Everything that you know- and everything that I know- is based upon what they know.
 
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There is currently an ironic Twitter meme by Palestinians, #there_was_no_Palestine, to which people are contributing visual evidence of Palestine. In 1920 when the League of Nations created the Palestinian state, it had a population of 700,000, of which about 76,000 were Jews. Almost all of the latter had immigrated in the previous 70 years. In 1850 only 4% of the population had been Jewish. In 1799, Napoleon Bonaparte found only 3,000 Jews. There had been hardly any Jews in Palestine since about 1100 AD.

So not only was there a Palestine, full of hundreds of thousands of people, over millennia, but there was a very long period of near-absence on the part of Jews. This absence was not because of a forcible expulsion. Rather, Jews in Palestine had converted to Christianity, and then many of those converted to Islam.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/04/pictures-refuting-there_was_no_palestine.html
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Who cares ? As long as the invasive bastards leave Palestine and go home to what is legally Israel.
Then the international courts can extricate the suspected war criminals to the Hague.
 
BartenderElite said:
I never see the OT as having anything to do w/ Christianity.

There are also 2 completely different Gods in the OT vs. the NT. It's really inexplicable to try to reconcile the two.
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Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. He's claimed by his followers to be the Jewish Messiah. He's quoted in the Gospels as adhering to the OT. He was a Jew and spoke within Jewish customs. He had a few disagreements with how the Pharisees were running things, but he never spoke contrary to his own faith. Ergo, I disagree with your assessment that the OT has nothing to do with Christianity.

OTO, I think we can agree that the Evangelicals, Prosperity Christians, Westboro Baptists and other like-minded groups are not following the principals of Jesus as given in the four Gospels.

Agreed on the "2 completely different Gods" point. It's easier to understand when it's remembered that it was humans who wrote the books and who selected the books.

The OT is not the Hebrew "bible". It's an edited version cherry-picked centuries later except for the first five books (Moses). While I agree this was done for control, given the times, it was an advancement in civilization.

Anyone who think human beings would be where we are today without religion is a fucking moron. Sure, there are negatives involved. Two steps forward, one step back. It's still advancement that, IMO, would not have taken place otherwise. Human nature being what it is. LOL
 
moon said:
Who cares ? As long as the invasive bastards leave Palestine and go home to what is legally Israel.
Then the international courts can extricate the suspected war criminals to the Hague.
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No such place, Ms. Moon....but go ahead. Keep pissing your burka and hate the Jews. It's all a dumbass like you has to offer.

Suicide-bomber.jpg

Time until the purple dick joke: 10...9...8...
 
Doc Dutch said:
No such place, Ms. Moon....but go ahead. Keep pissing your burka and hate the Jews. It's all a dumbass like you has to offer.
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Who cares ? As long as the invasive bastards leave Palestine and go home to what is legally Israel.
Then the international courts can extricate the suspected war criminals to the Hague.
 
moon said:
Who cares ? As long as the invasive bastards leave Palestine and go home to what is legally Israel.
Then the international courts can extricate the suspected war criminals to the Hague.
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Go for it. Keep believing the dream of murdering Jews. What has that done for your people the past 70 years?
 
moon said:
The importance to Americans of clarifying that the Old Testament is a work of fiction is that the beliefs of Evangelists and Christian Zionists are based on hogwash. These groups practically run America and are responsible for supporting Israeli fascism- to their own ends, obviously- which has been responsible for the deaths or displacement of millions of people- and still threatens more war for the US in the ' cause ' of Israel's security.
All those American service personnel- and other nationalities too- that have died or been disabled in Israeli-led Middle East conflicts have died and suffered for lies. Jewish claims in the bible are baseless, unsupported by any evidence.
We should all stop listening to false preachers who tell us that it is true. They have themselves been deceived.

When the bugles blow again- detain the bugler.
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Oh, certainly. There's zero evidence for the Exodus let alone the wandering in the desert. The preponderance of evidence is that the people that became Israel were just one of many Canaanite tribes, and they were henotheistic for much of their history. As they started to beat out other tribes, their storm god became instead the chief god (taking Asherah as his wife from the former chief god - we still see evidence of that wife despite attempts to scrub the OT of her), and then later adopted monotheism.
 
Gondwanaland said:
Oh, certainly. There's zero evidence for the Exodus let alone the wandering in the desert. The preponderance of evidence is that the people that became Israel were just one of many Canaanite tribes, and they were henotheistic for much of their history. As they started to beat out other tribes, their storm god became instead the chief god (taking Asherah as his wife from the former chief god - we still see evidence of that wife despite attempts to scrub the OT of her), and then later adopted monotheism.
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No shit. Just like the fucking Roman gods and American Evangelism. :)
 
Walt said:
But no one denies the fact that Jews/Judeans have been there for as long as anyone can show. If anything, disproving the Exodus shows that the Jews have been there for longer. There is no break in the archeology around the time of the Exodus, instead the same population stayed there.
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The historicity of the Kingdom of Judah and the Hasmonean dynasty are virtually beyond question. What does it matter whether the Hebrew tribes were firmly established in the Mediterranean Levant in 600 BCE or in 1000 BCE?
 
Doc Dutch said:
Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. He's claimed by his followers to be the Jewish Messiah. He's quoted in the Gospels as adhering to the OT. He was a Jew and spoke within Jewish customs. He had a few disagreements with how the Pharisees were running things, but he never spoke contrary to his own faith. Ergo, I disagree with your assessment that the OT has nothing to do with Christianity.

OTO, I think we can agree that the Evangelicals, Prosperity Christians, Westboro Baptists and other like-minded groups are not following the principals of Jesus as given in the four Gospels.

Agreed on the "2 completely different Gods" point. It's easier to understand when it's remembered that it was humans who wrote the books and who selected the books.

The OT is not the Hebrew "bible". It's an edited version cherry-picked centuries later except for the first five books (Moses). While I agree this was done for control, given the times, it was an advancement in civilization.

Anyone who think human beings would be where we are today without religion is a fucking moron. Sure, there are negatives involved. Two steps forward, one step back. It's still advancement that, IMO, would not have taken place otherwise. Human nature being what it is. LOL
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The title "rabbi" or "rabban" was first used after 70 CE to refer to Yochanan ben Zakkai and his students, and references in rabbinic texts

If jesus was a Jewish spiritual teacher in his 30s and not been married, this would have been highly unusual, and would have required explanation. Especially as he was hanging out with a lot of men the same age. Him having a wife would have been as unremarkable as him having two feet; this isn’t mentioned in the Gospels, either. There wasn’t any reason to pay any attention to him.
 
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guno said:
The title "rabbi" or "rabban" was first used after 70 CE to refer to Yochanan ben Zakkai and his students, and references in rabbinic texts
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I'm not a biblical translator.

IIRC, they all spoke Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek so maybe something was lost in translation. :)
 
Doc Dutch said:
Exactly!

Something else to consider is not only the nuances of interpretation of scripture, but a wide variety of translations. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-versions/
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I never thought these kind of threads were particularly enlightening or even noteworthy...

The threads where the author dashes in, spikes the football, and announces that there are inaccuracies and embellishments in the TaNaKh.

Doesn't everybody with a college education already know that?
 
Cypress said:
I never these kind of threads were particularly enlightening or even noteworthy...

The threads where the author dashes in, spikes the football, and announces that there are inaccuracies and embellishments in the TaNaKh.

Doesn't everybody with a college education already know that?
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Especially an antisemitic Jihadist. No ulterior motives there, eh? LOL /sarcasm
 
Walt said:
But no one denies the fact that Jews/Judeans have been there for as long as anyone can show.
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moon said:
Yes, they do.
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Every piece of writing from the time of Jesus shows the majority of people in what is today Israel were Jews. It is a proven fact that there were Jews going back to before the Babylonian Exile(about 600BC). It is probably that Jews were there going back to beyond 1,000BC. Hebrew is a descendant of Canaanite, so almost certainly the Jews had been Canaanites, and that puts them in the area as far back as 2,000BC.

I actually agree that the origin story of the Jews is probably false, but the settling of the Jews in the area known of Israel for thousands of years is beyond question.

moon said:
Not at all. It may be that there were none there to leave.
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If there were no Jews in the area of Israel, how did Jesus get there? How was there a Jewish uprising against the Romans? How did Alexander the Great conquer Jews there? How did the Persians conquer Jews there?

moon said:
Best leave it to the archaeologists;
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Archaeologists and historians question the Exodus, and the Unified Kingdom, but none question the Kingdom of Judah, Judea, a separate Kingdom of Israel, or the existence of Jews in the area.
 
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