anonymoose
Classical Liberal
I'd move to SF if I were you.
No crime San Francisco trip!
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I'd move to SF if I were you.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Sometimes i wonder why we have so many pointless discussions about crime.
America is literally the Wild West.
We're in large part brutally violent mongrels with no sense of genetic lineage on which to base a platform of moral values.
If only the indigenous people were advanced and sophisticated enough to have cannon to fire at the ships that landed in Plymouth and Jamestown and wherever the hell the Spaniards landed further south,
can there be any doubt that America would be a far better place today?
Weren't the Japanese smart enough to NOT land in San Francisco in the 1500s?
How did my fellow Euros fuck up so badly and come up with the mess we have now?
It's a humiliating embarrassment for those smart enough to understand.
America is literally the Wild West.
We're in large part brutally violent mongrels with no sense of genetic lineage on which to base a platform of moral values.
If only the indigenous people were advanced and sophisticated enough to have cannon to fire at the ships that landed in Plymouth and Jamestown and wherever the hell the Spaniards landed further south,
can there be any doubt that America would be a far better place today?
Weren't the Japanese smart enough to NOT land in San Francisco in the 1500s?
How did my fellow Euros fuck up so badly and come up with the mess we have now?
It's a humiliating embarrassment for those smart enough to understand.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
I think it has a lot to do with overcrowding to a large degree. We have some crime here, of course, mostly drug-related. But even in the denser parts of Marquette City, it is nothing like it was when we lived in the STL area. A lot of times we forget to lock our doors at night; our neighbors never lock theirs, they lost their key years ago. People are very friendly and polite in public as well. Even with the mandatory mask orders in the pandemic, we had only a handful of assholes challenging store ppl about it.
Small towns are so much better than urban places, sorry.
Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
I walked Chicago with my mother. We took a train in and just walked around with our bags in tow. It was perfectly fine. I'm sure there are some areas best avoided but it's nothing that the rights demonizers portray of these liberal cities.
My wife kids and I went to New Orleans three or four years ago, we must’ve walked 100 miles in and around the French quarter, day and night, no trouble at all.
Drugs are great...make um all legal and super easy to get at the 7-11...
Guess husband needed a gun handy
cawacko
Well-known member
You can walk through the City with the worst crime rate in America (whatever City that is) and it doesn't mean you will be robbed or murdered. People saying they visited a place and didn't get robbed doesn't change the realities on the ground.
If this is all right wing demonization ask yourself why a City (San Francisco), where less than 7% of residents are Republicans and has zero elected Republicans, recalled our (progressive) D.A. last year. How does that happen?
Yep I'm sure you can walk through Afghanistan and not see anything on any giving day
But Jade Idiot post just prove Libs don't live in reality
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Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
Maybe the guy just sucked at the job despite political affiliation. The right attacks their own all the time. Do you think we aren't capable of doing the same?
Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
100 miles? Wow, if you walked that much I hope you had a few extra beignets to make it worthwhile.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
St. Louis often leads the nation in number of murders. I lived there for 55 years. We routinely went to the city for things like the Zoo, Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital, the Science Center, Forest Park, Fox Theater, baseball games, concerts, etc. In all those years, the only crime that I ever saw was a purse snatching. And that was in 1973. I walked out of the door of the downtown office where I worked, in broad daylight as it was summer. A woman was walking down the across-the-street sidewalk that borders Cardinal Glennon. My car was parked there. Two kids ran up behind her, grabbed her purse, and dragged her down the sidewalk till the strap broke and they ran away. I ran and got her and brought her inside the office to let her call the police, and clean up her scrapes that were bleeding.
Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
The right-wing obsesses about the crime and homelessness in these places like it's a plague of it. I wouldn't want to live in a place like Chicago, but it's a great place to visit. They had some awesome cheese shops.
cawacko
Well-known member
He ran, and won office, on a progressive reform platform emphasizing racial justice and equity in the criminal system. Once in office, and crime started to increase, he was viewed as not taking crime seriously and being too soft on criminals (especially within the Asian community who were victims of a fair number of crimes). Boudin stayed true to his reform agenda but once things on the ground changed so did people's reactions to him.
Now you (anyone) could have visited during this time and said 'I didn't get robbed or killed and didn't see anyone else get robbed or killed' and that could be 100% correct. But it doesn't make everything else going on false.
cawacko
Well-known member
To ask the question, why wouldn't you want to live there?
Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
Because I prefer my laid-back rural retreat by the lake. I wouldn't want to live in any city. I like to visit them, but this big galoot needs his space to unwind.
cawacko
Well-known member
I'm an urban person and get scared going out in rural and country areas. I also understand why urban living isn't for everyone and why people like the suburbs and more rural areas.
Although many people may not say it publicly the reason they don't live in urban areas is because of things like crime. That's why they go to their nice relatively safe suburb and can visit the City but don't have to deal with any of its challenges. In the burbs and rural areas you generally don't have drugged out mentally ill people screaming at you and your kid when you're walking down the street. You generally don't have to look out for needles addicts leave whether on the street or the playgrounds like we do in the City so your kid doesn't pick them up. It's a different lifestyle.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
I suppose that if you don't place a serious premium on your convenience, they can be tolerable.
I'm accustomed to having everything I need just a few minutes away.
I was able to walk to Red Sox games as a middle schooler, and the bleacher tickets were 75 cents (still one dollar when I was in college) so I could do it whenever I wanted.
I wouldn't trade the experience of growing up in Boston for all the world.
You couldn't drag me to Fenway Park now,
but even being a couple of blocks from a donut shop is essential, not merely convenient, for me.
It's how I grew up, and I loved how I grew up.
Too bad that it's so much more expensive now.
And I require the constant stimulation of the city. I prefer the sound of traffic over the sound of crickets.
If you're not the type to be energized by the ambiance of the wilderness, the boredom is almost excruciating.
None of this is to cast negativity on those who thrive in different environs, but we do have to be ourselves.
cawacko
Well-known member
I have three corner markets within a three block radius in three different directions. I have multiple bars and restaurants within a five block radius. I can get to Pelosi’s house in less than ten blocks and can go ten blocks the other direction and get to an Asian massage parlor and strip club. An urban lifestyle is how life was meant to be lived.
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Did she stop at a drug store for some sundries? Prolly not. Did she pick up some healthy snacks at Whole Foods? Oh, I forgot, they closed because the employees were afraid to come to work.
Do me a favor, move there and get back to us.