Abortion Backlash Freaking Out Republicans

[ThatOwlWoman]

I think my use of 'Mainly' there achieves the desired effect.


The earliest forms of religion were mainly and basically political means by another ends. Ways to triabilize people to a common cause and often against a common foe.

Faith can come about organically but religion does not. It is a tool that certain people use to sway others, good or bad to common cause. The origin stories behind organized religion matter little. They have been recycled over and over throughout the age, basically like throwing spaghetti against the wall until something sticks.

The forms of Christianity a plagiarism from mostly Judaism and Egyptian mythology and so on and so on.

If Christianity did not stick and get wide adaption it would have been followed by another Religion origin story, taking all the parts that worked while jettisoning those that did not. Cut, paste, repeat until mass adoption by the sheep.

There is a reason they call the faithful the "FLOCK".

Although I am not a Christian and not religious in the usual sense, I cannot agree with your cynical view of spirituality. It is true that *organized religions* -- i.e. churches -- at times try to maintain control over people. They also often butt heads with secular governments. However, millions (maybe even billions) of human beings derive comfort and peace and wisdom from their faiths.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

As a Christian male all I can say is you must be a cult escapist. No church that I have ever been a member of has advocated the sexual subjugation of women. The church teaches us morality one of which is obeying the ten commandments on which most morals and laws are based.
You either associate with weak willed women or you believe all women choose to be dominated by men.

For a brief time in my far younger years, I belonged to a nondenominational fundamentalist Xtian church. They did indeed try to subjugate women. They were not allowed to work outside the home. They were not allowed to wear makeup, pants/shorts/trousers. Their hair was not to be cut or dyed or styled. They were to be quiet in church other than singing. They could not be preachers or read Bible verses out loud to the congregation. Assembly of God churches are this way; so are some of the stricter Baptist sects. For the most part though, at least in America, women are not treated any differently than men by their church/religious leaders.

 

[martin]

I'd reword that to state that many *churches* were started for those reasons. Religion is as old as humanity and has existed long before there were towns and cities and kingdoms and countries.

Agreed. Religions are more organic than the OP you answered gives them credit for. It is after they have formed that power structures emerge and may exploit in guises of enhancement the tenets of religions.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Agreed. Religions are more organic than the OP you answered gives them credit for. It is after they have formed that power structures emerge and may exploit in guises of enhancement the tenets of religions.

It's interesting to me how so many people associate religion with morality. To most it's a set of rules you're supposed to follow, with an Enforcer (god) to show displeasure and/or punishment if you don't. A lot of these guys truly believe that anyone who doesn't have a religion, esp. their own, is immoral and evil.

I see these kinds of religions, in particular the ones who meddle in politics, as dangerous for a free society. They teach an us vs. them mentality.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You need to educate yourself before commenting.

I did. Thanks anyway for the stimulating Democratic Party POV.

Mainly because you refused to answer the question. LOL

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/racial-and-ethnic-composition/

FWIW, dumbass, "I don't know" is a legitimate reply to a question.

 

[QP!]

Although I am not a Christian and not religious in the usual sense, I cannot agree with your cynical view of spirituality. It is true that *organized religions* -- i.e. churches -- at times try to maintain control over people. They also often butt heads with secular governments. However, millions (maybe even billions) of human beings derive comfort and peace and wisdom from their faiths.

I would not deny what you say. I am not speaking of the individual practitioners. I am speaking to the systems of hierarchy that form the organized religion, from the top down. What you say can be true and not conflict with what i said.

 

[Lightbringer]

After the Republican Party’s disappointing performance in the 2022 midterms, fueled in large part by a backlash to the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade, the Republican National Committee recommitted itself to anti-abortion maximalism.

A resolution adopted at the R.N.C.’s winter meeting in January urges Republican lawmakers “to pass the strongest pro-life legislation possible.” Addressing their party’s poor showing in November, it said that Republicans hadn’t been aggressive enough in defending anti-abortion values, urging them to “go on offense in the 2024 election cycle.”

The 11-point loss of the Republican-aligned candidate in Wisconsin’s Supreme Court election on Tuesday has influential conservatives rethinking this strategy. “Republicans had better get their abortion position straight, and more in line with where voters are, or they will face another disappointment in 2024,” said a Wall Street Journal editorial.

Ann Coulter tweeted, “The demand for anti-abortion legislation just cost Republicans another crucial race,” and added, “Please stop pushing strict limits on abortion, or there will be no Republicans left.” Jon Schweppe, policy director of the socially conservative American Principles Project, lamented, “We are getting killed by indie voters who think we support full bans with no exceptions.”...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/07/opinion/abortion-rights-wisconsin-elections-republicans.html

Seeming to care more about protecting guns than school children probably isn't a good look either, and it gives a lie to the "sanctity of life" claim.

That is so 2017.

 

[Lightbringer]

It's interesting to me how so many people associate religion with morality. To most it's a set of rules you're supposed to follow, with an Enforcer (god) to show displeasure and/or punishment if you don't. A lot of these guys truly believe that anyone who doesn't have a religion, esp. their own, is immoral and evil.

I see these kinds of religions, in particular the ones who meddle in politics, as dangerous for a free society. They teach an us vs. them mentality.

You're in good company...so did the founders.