I suppose if you equate your children with the trees in the yard you might look at it that way...Do you?
Abortion Backlash Freaking Out Republicans
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Do you believe that old Marty will send his trees to private school?
How about a reveal party for his trees?
Marty is always good for a laugh or two...or ten.
I have been trying to tutor him about "long guns" but with very little success.
He's trying to come up with a brilliant riposte like, save the unborn trees.
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I do not equate a tree and a child.... https://www.impactus.org/articles/t...ngly given each,in a relationship with others. The gift of Life can also be a blood transfusion., a bone marrow donation, organ donation... A tree does provide us with food sometimes.... not exactly the same...
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
if mary killed jesus, the virgin born saviour, minutes after birth because that's private medical information, what would jesus do?
ressurect?......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
but people don't adopt tumors when they can't get cancer, fuckwit.
oh snap!!!......
Eagle_Eye
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Canned liberal answer and utter horse shit! Abortion is not about controlling women's sexual rights it's all about morality. No woman is forced to have unprotected sex (rape excluded) and all she has to do is say no or stop and if the male continues it becomes rape a felony act. Thus not only is she protected by science but the law also.
Most women don't even realize they are pregnant until 4 to 7 weeks after conception. A fetus develops a heartbeat between 3 and 5 weeks after conception. So no matter how one describes a fetus the fact remains it is a living human organism with a heartbeat. No matter how one spins it and abortion is taking a separate and distinct life from that of the host body (basically the woman's body becomes an incubator (in·cu·ba·tor
noun
an enclosed apparatus providing a controlled environment for the care and protection of premature or unusually small babies.).
As I said abortion is not about sexual equality it is all about a woman deciding if she want's to be a mother a totally moral issue.
Eagle_Eye
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You are combining two different groups to try to make a point. I am against abortion on demand but I support some reasons for abortion and I totally support birth control access, meds and devices.
Quibble time: That "heartbeat" that is detected that early is an artifact created by the extremely sensitive ultrasound/Doppler equipment used. It is not detectable by stethoscope. Why is that? Because it is not a true heartbeat; it is a rhythmic pulsation of the nerve tissue that will one day become the pacemaker of a four-chambered human heart. Forced-birthers use emotion to claim that it is a true heartbeat in order to ban abortion once that sound can be detected by the US/Doppler.
Religious types have made what is a medical decision into a morality issue. This is about personal choice, personal freedom to live one's life as one chooses. It is about forcing someone to become a parent who may not be ready, able, or willing to be one. If you force a woman to become a parent against her will, are you also willing to force the other half of the equation -- the man -- into the same?
No doubt. Whoever is leading the Republicans in Tennessee fucked up as well as all the dumbasses who voted for expulsion.
Eagle_Eye
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Fact remains the Mayo clinic says that a fetus heart beat occurs between 3 and 5 weeks. Sorry but that is a positive sign of living tissue.
I have a lot of respect for your opinions, and tend to agree much of the time but on this issue I totally disagree. If it is about a woman's right to live as she chooses and she doesn't want to remain a mother and abandons or kills them she goes to jail. Why is one acceptable but the other not? One can argue personal freedom only so far. I am not arguing that there are no exceptions to abortion but there should be a reasonable reason to abort other than "It's my body and I don't want to be pregnant." That is nothing more than a childish rant, you fucked up you pay the price. (This only applies to those who take no precautions and have unprotected sex.) You bring up the man. If the mother keeps the child he should be on the hooks till the child turns 18.
So if a couple has decided that they do not want a child and both use some form of birth control, but it fails, you would be in favor of forcing them to become parents? Why is that okay? Isn't it anti-freedom to force someone to bow to another person's idea of what is "moral"?
Eagle_Eye
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No! I didn't say that! I specifically said there are sound reasons to abort. Birth control device failure is one, Incest, Rape, Mothers health, ect.
Society determines morals not just the individual.
QP!
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You are correct.
History has shown us that one group trying to assert control over another, whether it be slavery, oppression of the jews, or now womens choice and reproductive health, even if once supported by the majority will be rejected.
Good point.
Link, please? Meanwhile, there is this:
Thank you, I also respect yours. Because they are living human beings, not dependent-upon-the-placenta/uterus embryos/fetuses. If a pregnant woman did something to cause a miscarriage, such as falling down the stairs or engaging in some strenuous physical activity, should we punish her for losing the fetus/embryo? No sane person would advocate for that. So what is the difference if she takes a pill that causes the embryo to abort? Or has a procedure done with the same result?
Again, the desire is to punish women for having sex that leads to pregnancy. It is not about saving lives, or we wouldn't be having school massacres every other week. Why does the right to have military-style firearms trump the rights of living children to stay that way? I reject any and all anti-abortion arguments made by those who refuse to address the right to life of already-born children.
See, control of women's sexuality is the goal, just as I said. "Sluts" will be punished. *sigh*
I'm glad that I wasn't born to a mother who didn't want me but was forced to have me anyways. I bet you are too.
QP!
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That is not how logic works.
In the small pictures are the materials, that were used that became the building.
No one stepped in and stopped the progression that lead to the building coming into existence.
Had someone stepped in and stopped it those materials would not be 'unborn buildings'. You need to be smarter than that.
They have the potential, if allowed to progress to be a building, but they are not that thing, if stopped prior to development. At a certain point we can and will recognize them as that building but also at a certain point we recognize they are not.
QP!
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And that is exactly where these new age Puritans are heading.
That is not hyperbole. The end goal is a step by step reclaiming of the standard that every sperm is sacred. We are already seeing forms of birth control being attacked to ensure the sperm and egg have a chance to meet in every sexual encounter.
It is based in a belief that sex should only happen within a marriage and should always be in the goal or support of having a child.
And i have no problem with anyone who believes and practices the above. It is that people on the right can never accept to let others live by other values and seek to use the law always, to impose their beliefs on others.