Mass shootings = symptoms of a much worse problem

[PostmodernProphet]

All you're doing here is trying to find an example to back up "it's not the guns."

Kind of what I was talking about in the OP.

how does that affect the fact that he is right and you are wrong......if there is any empirical connection between gun ownership in the US and the number of people murdered, it is that the number of people murdered by Americans who own guns is far less than almost everywhere else......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

To some degree I believe it is but I think it's more subtle

is "lib'ruls care more about taking away guns then stopping criminals" more subtle?.......

 

[Yakuda]

The Gatling gun is a machine gun (fully automatic, just turn the crank). The first semiautomatic rifle appeared in 1903.

I know. I merely pointing out that the technology to kill many people in a short time is not new.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

America is far from the most deadly country in the world

maybe if Chicago were a country......

 

[evince]

I don't love Republicans in 2023 - but I'd disagree.

I think the left focuses almost 100% on guns when things like this happen. As I said, that deserves to be part of the discussion - but it's almost impossibly simplistic, and as some have mentioned, we've had guns throughout our country's existence. Before Columbine, we never saw shootings like this - now, it's a very regular event.

We've let things slide, on every level. We're not being vigilant. I can't imagine being a child in today's world, and having to go through "active shooter" drills in elementary school. That's a much darker world than kids should have to deal with, and I'm sure has an impact on what kinds of adults they become.

We banned these weapons after columbine


We didn’t get more shootings


Then the law expired and republicans refused to reup it

 

[evince]

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750656174/the-u-s-once-had-a-ban-on-assault-weapons-why-did-it-expire


Yes. Twenty five years ago, when Biden was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Congress passed the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act — commonly called the assault weapons ban.

It prohibited the manufacture or sale for civilian use of certain semi-automatic weapons. The act also banned magazines that could accommodate 10 rounds or more.

 

[evince]

Clearly, it's gun violence. But most Democrats focus on the gun itself. There is so much more at play here.

Thus, the OP title. We're a sick nation right now.

Because it’s a great start


It works

 

[Yakuda]

is "lib'ruls care more about taking away guns then stopping criminals" more subtle?.......

Well in the spirit of useful discussion id say "more subtle" in that things that were once valued by a lot of people no longer are.

 

[Into the Night]

To some degree I believe it is but I think it's more subtle

I believe it's most of it.

The 'catch and release' program of dealing with criminals allows the gangs to flourish, right along with their gunfire. Criminal conduct such as subverting youth with sexual perversions is tolerated and never punished according to existing laws. The whole 'trans' problem is related to it, along with LGBTQ++ (or whatever the fuck they call it now!) and THEIR violence against 'oppressors'.

Murder itself is a criminal act. A mass shooter is a murderer. It is also usually an act of suicide.

And what drives youth to suicide? The drugs, the hopelessness, the constant drumbeat coming from the liberals, the loneliness, and the utter discard of human value and self value. This comes from Democrats and other liberals.

Democrats do nothing to stop such suicide and mass shootings. They WANT it to happen. They even encourage it. They want to ban guns.

 

[Yakuda]

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750656174/the-u-s-once-had-a-ban-on-assault-weapons-why-did-it-expire


Yes. Twenty five years ago, when Biden was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Congress passed the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act — commonly called the assault weapons ban.

It prohibited the manufacture or sale for civilian use of certain semi-automatic weapons. The act also banned magazines that could accommodate 10 rounds or more.

Pistols can fire more than 10 rounds these days.

 

[evince]

We have to live with these murders


The minority of Americans insist we just accept the deaths

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750656174/the-u-s-once-had-a-ban-on-assault-weapons-why-did-it-expire


Yes. Twenty five years ago, when Biden was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Congress passed the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act — commonly called the assault weapons ban.

It prohibited the manufacture or sale for civilian use of certain semi-automatic weapons. The act also banned magazines that could accommodate 10 rounds or more.

Unconstitutional.

 

[Into the Night]

We have to live with these murders


The minority of Americans insist we just accept the deaths

Shoot back.

 

[evince]

Shoot back.

No

 

[evince]

I say we end the jobs of the people who promote this hate and violence

 

[evince]

It’s sad how many have to die so the Republican Party can steal elections

 

[Yakuda]

We have to live with these murders


The minority of Americans insist we just accept the deaths

We have to live with a lot of things lots of people don't like

It's not accepting it's balancing rights against risks. That's what has to be accepted like it or not

 

[Yakuda]

It’s sad how many have to die so the Republican Party can steal elections

This is why you're a fucking retard unworthy of any respect whatsoever.

 

[evince]

How do you deny the USA court records for decades that prove republicans cheat in elections

 

[domer76]

It's awful. We all know it's awful.

But what do we do about it? I started a thread on here once about free speech, and got pretty slammed. But it's such a sacred principle - what if it doesn't work anymore? What if it really hurts us now?

Not that we shouldn't have free speech. But the internet is out of control. Social media should not be as toxic as it is - it's hurting all of us.

Agreed.