There are Two basic political ideologies: 'Individualism' & 'Collectivism'

Uncensored2008 said:
Ah,the everything is communism ploy.

Civic services are not socialism. TRADITIONALLY education in America was communities banding together to provide an education to children. Sadly, statists have infected and corrupted education, creating actual socialized education.

I'm all for disbanding the socialized public education system. It's failed at educating children and exists purely to wage war on American culture.



I'm not sure which hate site you get your talking points from, but you should consider upgrading.
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Are you saying the author that Libhater quoted in the opening post is full of shit? I agree with you on that. Government is not collectivism. Conservatives are not individualists. They simply like to pretend they are because otherwise they would have to admit they are stupid.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
ROFLMAO. Congratulations on being a collectivist. Does that also make you a leftie?

If public schools are community based then why is the state of Florida dictating which books can be used in the classroom? It seems that you don't seem to know what the people you support are doing.
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Not sure which hate site you get your talking points from, but they aren't working for you.
 
Libhater said:
Since the far right favors individual liberty and limited government, the minimum value logically belongs on the right side of the political spectrum. And since the left favors collective rights and virtually unlimited government power and control (which is an understatement), the maximum value logically belongs to the left.

One side favors individual rights and freedoms, starting with anarchism, and liberalism (in moving from right to left). The other (the Left) favors collective "rights" and "freedom," possessed only by groups of people nonexistent for the individual. These are the leftist ideologies of totalitarianism, communism, fascism, and socialism.

These basic facts don't look good for the far left, so they have to constantly work to confuse the issue. This is why the co-opted deceptive words like "liberal" and "progressive: because the people won't support them if they knew the truth.

In the Federalist, Eleanor Bartow made the case that we should not call the "left-liberal-progressives" liberals any longer, but we should call them leftists for "They are Intolerant, Divisive, and Anti-Liberty. She makes the point that authoritarians of the far-left are only trying to confuse the issue with their false "liberal" label.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/stop_conflating_leftists_with_liberals.html


As I've mentioned many times before on these forums, 'Classical Liberalism' is the exact opposite of today's left wing version of that 'liberal' term. There's nothing liberating about being a leftist. Absolutely NOTHING, and thus, my anti leftist liberalism moniker is a great sign for those who want to know the truth about the sad state of affairs that the leftist political party is doing to we freedom loving Americans and to America itself.
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Absolutely correct.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Are you against DeSantis and his state sponsored school initiatives that take the decisions away from parents? If not than you must be a collectivist.
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You are conflating TWO separate definitions of 'collectivism', you childish moron. :palm:


"col·lec·tiv·ism
/kəˈlektəˌviz(ə)m/
noun

1. the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it.
"the Church has criticized the great emphasis placed on individualism rather than collectivism"


2. the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.
"the Russian Revolution decided to alter the course of modernity towards collectivism"
 
BidenPresident said:
What is your proposal? Close all public schools?
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Yes.

Disband the department of education. If communities wish to establish primary education, then fine. But the federalized, state controlled schools are an unmitigated disaster. Our educational level declines as costs soar. Give complete control of education back to the parents.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Yes.

Disband the department of education. If communities wish to establish primary education, then fine. But the federalized, state controlled schools are an unmitigated disaster. Our educational level declines as costs soar. Give complete control of education back to the parents.
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So, make learning the English language up to whether parents teach it to kids. Along with math. And history.
 
Libhater said:
Since the far right favors individual liberty and limited government, the minimum value logically belongs on the right side of the political spectrum. And since the left favors collective rights and virtually unlimited government power and control (which is an understatement), the maximum value logically belongs to the left.

One side favors individual rights and freedoms, starting with anarchism, and liberalism (in moving from right to left). The other (the Left) favors collective "rights" and "freedom," possessed only by groups of people nonexistent for the individual. These are the leftist ideologies of totalitarianism, communism, fascism, and socialism.

These basic facts don't look good for the far left, so they have to constantly work to confuse the issue. This is why the co-opted deceptive words like "liberal" and "progressive: because the people won't support them if they knew the truth.

In the Federalist, Eleanor Bartow made the case that we should not call the "left-liberal-progressives" liberals any longer, but we should call them leftists for "They are Intolerant, Divisive, and Anti-Liberty. She makes the point that authoritarians of the far-left are only trying to confuse the issue with their false "liberal" label.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/stop_conflating_leftists_with_liberals.html


As I've mentioned many times before on these forums, 'Classical Liberalism' is the exact opposite of today's left wing version of that 'liberal' term. There's nothing liberating about being a leftist. Absolutely NOTHING, and thus, my anti leftist liberalism moniker is a great sign for those who want to know the truth about the sad state of affairs that the leftist political party is doing to we freedom loving Americans and to America itself.
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This is dated! The American Right has gone rogue,they want one party fascism with Trump the criminal as Fuhrer
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Yes.

Disband the department of education. If communities wish to establish primary education, then fine. But the federalized, state controlled schools are an unmitigated disaster. Our educational level declines as costs soar. Give complete control of education back to the parents.
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Are these the same "parents" I see at Wal-Mart, you want teaching the kids?
 
Libhater said:
Bullshit! Show me how a libertarian supports collectivism. Libertarian ideology is the exact opposite of collectivized liberalism.
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Aynal-Retentive


Libertarians would establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists against mob rule." They believe that the only good men are islands, similar to the neo-Platonist belief that a Supreme Being would not sully itself with any contact with this lower life and its denizens. Their contempt for society is the essence of criminality.
 
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The Sage of Main Street said:
Aynal-Retentive


Libertarians would establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists against mob rule." They believe that the only good men are islands, similar to the neo-Platonist belief that a Supreme Being would not sully itself with any contact with this lower life and its denizens. Their contempt for society is the essence of criminality.
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That is utterly stupid.
 
Concart said:
Cry some more, snowflake.
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Libhater references the American thinker again? No wonder he's a MAGA moron.

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