The President Bows . . .

Jarod said:
How many posts on this issue? Commercials on this issue would be a great sign for Obama's chances at reelection!
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irrelevent as to how many posts on this issue....you are claiming that people are only talking about this issue...

perhaps you don't even realize what you're saying because you're having an extraordinary conniption over this....
 
Damocles said:
LOL. Yeah, because nobody criticized him for socializing the auto industry (apparently against his will, but *sigh* he's such a martyer, willing to do even that), for his lack of health care leadership, for his pushing poor plans for health care solutions, for his lack of protocol elsewhere, for his vacillating on Afghanistan, for his...

Well, I think you get the point.

Your post may have made sense if this was the only thing anybody ever criticized Obama on, or even the most important of them.
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Check out the line.. "I hope"!
 
Damocles said:
And again, you lack the simple fact that this isn't what they "haters" (your word) are whining about.

You and I have spent some time debating his vacillation in Afghanistan, and myriad other things that he gets criticized about that are more important.

What you dislike is that this is one you really can't defend, and one that you attacked Bush about earlier, so you simply try to use attack as defense. Simple protocol, it isn't too hard to learn for somebody who was a Law Professor...
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I attacked Bush for a bow? You are really making a lot of shit up lately. Very unlike you, where is your former devotion to integrity?
 
Yurt said:
since you've been honest with me....please reread my sentence and onceler's claim....you will find i never made the claim that onceler claims some mysterious poster made

he said "make"

i said "look"

do you see the difference? it is the same as the NYT describing clinton looking obeisant to the japanese emporer in 1994....it doesn't mean he made the US cede power or subservient, rather gave the look of it...

if what i said wasn't clear, that was my meaning
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I'm sorry; I thought this was a thread on the bow. I must have stumbled into the hair-splitting convention.

And I still don't see where both Dems & Republicans were OUTRAGED about Clinton's half-bow?
 
Jarod said:
I attacked Bush for a bow? You are really making a lot of shit up lately. Very unlike you, where is your former devotion to integrity?
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No, you attacked him for breaking protocol. Don't be deliberately obtuse.

I'm sure you can remember the rubbing shoulders incident. Wasn't he the idiot who touched the Queen?
 
Yurt said:
irrelevent as to how many posts on this issue....you are claiming that people are only talking about this issue...

perhaps you don't even realize what you're saying because you're having an extraordinary conniption over this....
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I am claiming tha tthis is the only thing people are discussing?
 
Damocles said:
No, you attacked him for breaking protocol. Don't be deliberately obtuse.

I'm sure you can remember the rubbing shoulders incident. Wasn't he the idiot who touched the Queen?
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Where or when did I attack Bush on protocal? I do not belvie I attacked Bush for that incident, if I did I was wrong. DOnt accuse me for something I did not do. Stop making shit up, its unbecoming of you!
 
Onceler said:
I'm sorry; I thought this was a thread on the bow. I must have stumbled into the hair-splitting convention.

And I still don't see where both Dems & Republicans were OUTRAGED about Clinton's half-bow?
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both damo and i posted the NYT link...i believe you made some snide comment to be about searching for it, when in fact i didn't search at all for it, i saw someone else on another site post it....

your hypocrisy is quite amusing....i'm splitting hairs between "look" and "make" (which is patently false btw) but you're not splitting hairs on outrage....there was an uproar or shock....is that better, do you want me to bring you a thesauras....

and any educated person will tell you that "look" and "make" are not the same at all...nice try
 
The Republicans are doing there best to try to make the President of the United States look weak, how do you think this makes the USA look to Al Queda... Ill tell you what all this attacking of the president does... It provides aid and comfort to our enemies, it emboldens AL QUEDA!

Who does the above sound like?
 
Jarod said:
Where or when did I attack Bush on protocal? I do not belvie I attacked Bush for that incident, if I did I was wrong. DOnt accuse me for something I did not do. Stop making shit up, its unbecoming of you!
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LOL. It's Jarod thinking he can pretend that I am doing what he was doing to me yesterday.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you and Dungheap were all over Bush for his shoulder rub on Merkle. If not, you can gather what I am saying from it. The left criticized Bush for breaking protocol, and now expect a pass from their messiah. So much so, they somehow expect nobody to even notice that it is a gaffe.
 
Yurt said:
both damo and i posted the NYT link...i believe you made some snide comment to be about searching for it, when in fact i didn't search at all for it, i saw someone else on another site post it....

your hypocrisy is quite amusing....i'm splitting hairs between "look" and "make" (which is patently false btw) but you're not splitting hairs on outrage....there was an uproar or shock....is that better, do you want me to bring you a thesauras....

and any educated person will tell you that "look" and "make" are not the same at all...nice try
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I saw the NYT link.

What I didn't see was some sort of clear Dem & Republican OUTRAGE.

LOL. The dishonesty never stops...
 
Damocles said:
LOL. It's Jarod thinking he can pretend that I am doing what he was doing to me yesterday.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you and Dungheap were all over Bush for his shoulder rub on Merkle. If not, you can gather what I am saying from it. The left criticized Bush for breaking protocol, and now expect a pass from their messiah. So much so, they somehow expect nobody to even notice that it is a gaffe.
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true...i remember the video being played over and over by lefties and played quite a bit in the MSM
 
Jarod said:
The Republicans are doing there best to try to make the President of the United States look weak, how do you think this makes the USA look to Al Queda... Ill tell you what all this attacking of the president does... It provides aid and comfort to our enemies, it emboldens AL QUEDA!

Who does the above sound like?
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It sounds like you in almost all of your posts on this topic.

I expect Onceler, since he is so fair, honest & objective on the topic, to come rushing in to stop the hyperbole.

Should I hold my breath?
 
Damocles said:
They were much the same as here, it's bad protocol, and make him look foolish.

Even in the face of evidence that this isn't just a "fox" thing or even "new" you still refuse to see that it is simply a gaffe, and that it would be best to simply acknowledge and move on rather than trying to support it as if the man can do no wrong.

He needs a bit of protocol lessons, I hear he has the ability to learn which is unlike (according to some lefties) a previous President who seemed to continue the gaffes as a matter of practice. I'd prefer he get those lessons sooner rather than later and before he starts on the next nation so he can just stop prostrating before anybody with a title.
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One man's "gaffe" is another man's wise decision to win the Japanese People's respect, lost to the US by a bumbling cowboy with the grace and smarts of a boulder. Face it, that is what you truly resent.
As far as I can tell, the stupidity began with Hannity(Fox), not your post.
The NYT piece was 15 years old, has nothing taken place since when other presidents may have been practicing protocol? Who is the author? Was it not an opinion piece which you present as "proof"?
 
belme1201 said:
One man's "gaffe" is another man's wise decision to win the Japanese People's respect, lost to the US by a bumbling cowboy with the grace and smarts of a boulder. Face it, that is what you truly resent.
As far as I can tell, the stupidity began with Hannity(Fox), not your post.
The NYT piece was 15 years old, has nothing taken place since when other presidents may have been practicing protocol? Who is the author? Was it not an opinion piece which you present as "proof"?
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No, one man's gaffe is a gaffe, and his supporters spin is spin.

Citing the State Department is not an opinion piece. While the opinion piece may be something I posted, it was the relevant cites from the State Department that were important, not the opinion.
 
Onceler said:
I saw the NYT link.

What I didn't see was some sort of clear Dem & Republican OUTRAGE.

LOL. The dishonesty never stops...
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unfortunate for you, you're the only dishonest hack in this conservation....

any rational person will realize that there must have been a hoopla over it....i seriously doubt only the NYT talked about it...i am sure rush bitched about it, if was on the air back then.....it even stated that admin officials were "scurrying" to explain the situation away....

yeah, it was no big deal, but they were frantically trying to play the situation down....

if you want to continue your twisted view of the events, go for it...but it is at best hyperbole that i am being dishonest and at worst outright dishonest for claiming that no reasonable person could see that many were outraged, shocked, wowed, whatever.....

:rolleyes:
 
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