San Francisco teacher sparks outrage with disturbing tweets

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A San Francisco Bay area teacher went viral on Twitter last weekend after posting a lengthy thread arguing that sex between a child and an adult is not “intrinsically harmful.” Zara Degeneres, a self-described “pagan witch,” faced widespread condemnation from parents. According to her LinkedIn page, she specializes in “teaching sex-positive values to middle and high school students through sex education.

She argued that child-adult sex is only “inappropriate” because of outdated Christian morals. According to the “sex educator,” children are only harmed because of the guilt and shame imposed by “highly religious parents.” Degeneres said she believes that children are fully capable of consenting to sex with adults.



https://floridajolt.com/san-francis...g-tweets-in-support-of-inappropriate-conduct/


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A San Francisco Bay area teacher went viral on Twitter last weekend after posting a lengthy thread arguing that sex between a child and an adult is not “intrinsically harmful.” Zara Degeneres, a self-described “pagan witch,” faced widespread condemnation from parents. According to her LinkedIn page, she specializes in “teaching sex-positive values to middle and high school students through sex education.

She argued that child-adult sex is only “inappropriate” because of outdated Christian morals. According to the “sex educator,” children are only harmed because of the guilt and shame imposed by “highly religious parents.” Degeneres said she believes that children are fully capable of consenting to sex with adults.



https://floridajolt.com/san-francis...-in-support-of-inappropriathisnisnte-conduct/


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This is the "slippery slope" leftists told us would never happen. Leftists are subhuman pieces of shit. Thats what's reaching kids in San fransicko
 
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A San Francisco Bay area teacher went viral on Twitter last weekend after posting a lengthy thread arguing that sex between a child and an adult is not “intrinsically harmful.” Zara Degeneres, a self-described “pagan witch,” faced widespread condemnation from parents. According to her LinkedIn page, she specializes in “teaching sex-positive values to middle and high school students through sex education.

She argued that child-adult sex is only “inappropriate” because of outdated Christian morals. According to the “sex educator,” children are only harmed because of the guilt and shame imposed by “highly religious parents.” Degeneres said she believes that children are fully capable of consenting to sex with adults.



https://floridajolt.com/san-francis...g-tweets-in-support-of-inappropriate-conduct/


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Zara's twitter account has already been suspended, but I found what looks like her complete thread on the subject of adult-minor sexual interactions here:

https://www.upcarta.com/resources/9...ent-hits-you-with-what-can-only-be-described-

I think the very end of it is rather important:
**
⚠️⚠️⚠️DISCLAIMER:

Please do not interpret this thread as incitement to any illegal or otherwise irresponsible activity. Obey the law and be wary of purity campaigners, TERFs, vigilantes, activist law enforcement, glowies/fake AAMs and vociferous bigots, wherever you are.

**

I think she should have put that at the start of her thread, not the end.

Anyway, moving on, I think she was way too cavalier about the problems an adult-minor sexual relationship entails, at least in a lot of the U.S. Perhaps her biggest mistake is thinking that the reticence to adult-minor sexual relations is generally just an issue if highly religious parents are involved. Here's what she said there:

**The answer to this question, is (deep breath...) that sex between a minor and an adult isn't *intrinsically* abusive, nor innately harmful!
But socially "inappropriate" in christian america... sure, I won't contest that one. Irresponsible? Well, maybe, particularly if highly religious parents or radfem-adjacent moms are alerted, which can lead to serious legal repercussions that I have witnessed first-hand.
**

I'd definitely be interested in hearing what she witnessed first hand, but seeing as she's been all but erased from the internet (both her twitter and her linked in are gone), probably not going to happen anytime soon.

On another issue, I believe she's right that consent is very important, but she doesn't mention informed consent. She does mention the importance of information though:

**
Consent is such an important subject to teach when it comes to preventative public health, as when kids are equipped with the *right kind* of information and feel they are in control, secondary harms can often be averted.
**

She also says the following, which I found interesting:

**
If any of them ask for evidence, or repeat the hogwash about sex being intrinsically harmful (usually learned from the trafficking/rescue industry, prohibitionists, quack TV doctors and "grooming" RW culture warriors) I then immediately point them towards the work of Bruce L Rind, described by one author as "scientifically correct, politically incorrect".

Rind's original 1998 study in the thread attached, has not only been passed by regulators...

twitter.com/86_Sedan/status/1524560476776153089

...but successfully repeated on two occasions (Ulrich, Daly), and his more recent work with a Finnish sample is VERY interesting.

https://mirror.amapin.love/download/rind-2022-your-5-minute-guide/

For LGBT and Queer kids, I usually reproduce this flyer, which informs them that positive experiences are far from an outlier, nor something to be ashamed of.

**

I'm sure most if not all here would disagree with that last sentence. I myself think she's not thinking things through, particularly when viewed from a societal lense. I took a look at the 5 minute guide to Rind's paper. Quoting from it:

**
Importance of age difference

In minor-older sex, partner age difference mattered for girls but not boys. Boys reacted positively, equally so for
minor-peer and minor-older sex (77 vs. 78% at the time). Girls involved with older persons reacted positively slightly
more than a third of the time (35–36%), which was just over half as often as girls involved with peers for reactions at
the time (61%). Adolescent (12+) girls sexually involved with adult males 5 to 7 years older, however, reacted no more
negatively than when involved with peer-aged males.

Girls in younger age groups, going from 15–17 to 12–14 to under 12, progressively reacted more negatively and less
positively. For boys, on the other hand, those in the adolescent range (12–14 and 15–17) reacted nearly the same, with
only younger boys (under 12) showing more negative and less positive reactions.

Boys with adults reacted negatively at the time (9.8%) significantly less often than boys with older minors (28.6%). They
also reacted positively at the time more often than boys with older minors (83.0% vs. 66.7%).

**
 
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Zara's twitter account has already been suspended, but I found what looks like her complete thread on the subject of adult-minor sexual interactions here:

https://www.upcarta.com/resources/9...ent-hits-you-with-what-can-only-be-described-

I think the very end of it is rather important:
**
⚠️⚠️⚠️DISCLAIMER:

Please do not interpret this thread as incitement to any illegal or otherwise irresponsible activity. Obey the law and be wary of purity campaigners, TERFs, vigilantes, activist law enforcement, glowies/fake AAMs and vociferous bigots, wherever you are.

**

I think she should have put that at the start of her thread, not the end.

Anyway, moving on, I think she was way too cavalier about the problems an adult-minor sexual relationship entails, at least in a lot of the U.S. Perhaps her biggest mistake is thinking that the reticence to adult-minor sexual relations is generally just an issue if highly religious parents are involved. Here's what she said there:

**The answer to this question, is (deep breath...) that sex between a minor and an adult isn't *intrinsically* abusive, nor innately harmful!
But socially "inappropriate" in christian america... sure, I won't contest that one. Irresponsible? Well, maybe, particularly if highly religious parents or radfem-adjacent moms are alerted, which can lead to serious legal repercussions that I have witnessed first-hand.
**

I'd definitely be interested in hearing what she witnessed first hand, but seeing as she's been all but erased from the internet (both her twitter and her linked in are gone), probably not going to happen anytime soon.

On another issue, I believe she's right that consent is very important, but she doesn't mention informed consent. She does mention the importance of information though:

**
Consent is such an important subject to teach when it comes to preventative public health, as when kids are equipped with the *right kind* of information and feel they are in control, secondary harms can often be averted.
**

She also says the following, which I found interesting:

**
If any of them ask for evidence, or repeat the hogwash about sex being intrinsically harmful (usually learned from the trafficking/rescue industry, prohibitionists, quack TV doctors and "grooming" RW culture warriors) I then immediately point them towards the work of Bruce L Rind, described by one author as "scientifically correct, politically incorrect".

Rind's original 1998 study in the thread attached, has not only been passed by regulators...

twitter.com/86_Sedan/status/1524560476776153089

...but successfully repeated on two occasions (Ulrich, Daly), and his more recent work with a Finnish sample is VERY interesting.

https://mirror.amapin.love/download/rind-2022-your-5-minute-guide/

For LGBT and Queer kids, I usually reproduce this flyer, which informs them that positive experiences are far from an outlier, nor something to be ashamed of.

**

I'm sure most if not all here would disagree with that last sentence. I myself think she's not thinking things through, particularly when viewed from a societal lense. I took a look at the 5 minute guide to Rind's paper. Quoting from it:

**
Importance of age difference

In minor-older sex, partner age difference mattered for girls but not boys. Boys reacted positively, equally so for
minor-peer and minor-older sex (77 vs. 78% at the time). Girls involved with older persons reacted positively slightly
more than a third of the time (35–36%), which was just over half as often as girls involved with peers for reactions at
the time (61%). Adolescent (12+) girls sexually involved with adult males 5 to 7 years older, however, reacted no more
negatively than when involved with peer-aged males.

Girls in younger age groups, going from 15–17 to 12–14 to under 12, progressively reacted more negatively and less
positively. For boys, on the other hand, those in the adolescent range (12–14 and 15–17) reacted nearly the same, with
only younger boys (under 12) showing more negative and less positive reactions.

Boys with adults reacted negatively at the time (9.8%) significantly less often than boys with older minors (28.6%). They
also reacted positively at the time more often than boys with older minors (83.0% vs. 66.7%).

**

This is a leftest in 2023
 
This is the "slippery slope" leftists told us would never happen. Leftists are subhuman pieces of shit. Thats what's reaching kids in San fransicko

You say this, and yet you also said:

He can't help who he loves. If the person is old enough to decide their gender they are old enough to decide to have sex. Who the fuck are you to decide for other people?

I guess it's alright so long as they generally have rightist values?
 
This is a leftest in 2023

This is not really a matter of left or right. I'm "left" on some issues, "right" on others. I've seen people like Yakuda be ok with an older guy being with a minor female if said older guy is male on the right side of the political spectrum (granted, the male was still a minor, but still older) and then turn the other way if the person advocating that adult minor relationships could be ok appears to be on the left. I think it's time to look at what actual well done studies have shown instead of politicizing the issue.
 
Even NiftyNiblick said a 13 yo should get high fives for having sex with a 30 yo

That's not the verbetim quote, but nothing new there.

Agreed. For the record, this is what Nifty actually said:

**
I know its unfashionable and in some eyes sexist, but to me

THERE IS NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER BETWEEN A THIRTY YEAR OLD GUY WITH A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL
and
A THIRTY YEAR OLD WOMAN WITH A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD BOY.

A 13-year-old boy gets high fives from his friends for scoring a thirty year old woman. Maybe even from his dad, who knows?
There's no similarity at all between the situations.

Why is it so impossible for us to get real?

**

Source:
Colorado woman faces no jail time for statutory rape, pregnancy by 13-year-old boy , Post #4 | justplainpolitics.com

While I'm pretty sure no survey has been done on how many teen boys get high fives from friends after having a sexual relationship with an adult female, there is plenty of evidence that teen boys are more than happy to have sex with adult females. Here's a few stories that I think strongly suggest this:

High school teacher had students lining up in her basement to have sex with her | mysanantonio.com

Heather Robertson, Texas teacher, had sex with 4 students, 2 at the same time: cops | cbsnews.com

Judge rejects plea deal for Idaho woman accused of having sex with teenage boys | NY Post

And as I mentioned in post #5, there -has- been a study that shows that young males are far more likely to report having a good experience from a sexual relationship with an adult than females do with an adult.
 
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You say this, and yet you also said:



I guess it's alright so long as they generally have rightist values?

My goodness you're a dumbass motherfucker aren't you? Take a moment and see if you can think about why I said that.
 
A San Francisco Bay area teacher went viral on Twitter last weekend after posting a lengthy thread arguing that sex between a child and an adult is not “intrinsically harmful.” Zara Degeneres, a self-described “pagan witch,” faced widespread condemnation from parents. According to her LinkedIn page, she specializes in “teaching sex-positive values to middle and high school students through sex education.

She argued that child-adult sex is only “inappropriate” because of outdated Christian morals. According to the “sex educator,” children are only harmed because of the guilt and shame imposed by “highly religious parents.” Degeneres said she believes that children are fully capable of consenting to sex with adults.



https://floridajolt.com/san-francis...g-tweets-in-support-of-inappropriate-conduct/


This is today's Lib teacher!
It is very disturbing that she is a teacher.
 
My goodness you're a dumbass motherfucker aren't you? Take a moment and see if you can think about why I said that.

No need for the swearing. I looked at what you said again- I'm guessing you were being sarcastic?
 
Sacasm escapes you.

No, but I don't always see it at first glance, especially in text where intonation of voice isn't present. As soon as I saw Yakuda's response, I went back to his post and did guess it was sarcasm.
 
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