In blow to freedom, Democrats in Michigan repeal Right-to-work

[NiftyNiblick]

exactly.

keeping the union voluntary keeps it accountable to workers.

Why should workers who don't pays dues or equivalent non-member fees get the union benefits, the acquisition of which was accomplished despite their obstruction.
The only thing assholes like that deserve is a good fucking beating in the parking lot until they decide to work someplace else.
That's the way it has to be for workplace justice to exist.

 

[serendipity]

Prior to government interference unions could enforce contracts that required every employee to belong to the union. Right-to-work laws were the laws where the government was interfering with the employee/employer contract. Employers demanded right to work laws to weaken the unions and prevent them from having contracts requiring all employees be a member of the union.

Closed shops were abolished in the UK over 30 years ago. I wonder if unions will attempt to get AI bots to join them?

Is closed shop illegal UK?

Closed shops in Britain were made illegal following trade union legislation in 1990 and 1992: outlawing the practice of employers agreeing only to hire union members, and where employers had to remain union members in order to remain employed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_shop

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Is closed shop illegal UK?

Closed shops in Britain were made illegal following trade union legislation in 1990 and 1992: outlawing the practice of employers agreeing only to hire union members, and where employers had to remain union members in order to remain employed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_shop

I give them credit for their NHS, but perhaps the UK isn't as civilized as I thought.

 

[serendipity]

I give them credit for their NHS, but perhaps the UK isn't as civilized as I thought.

The public sector and rail unions just tried to attempt to implement a general strike but it was beaten back.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1552640453870239744

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Closed shops were abolished in the UK over 30 years ago. I wonder if unions will attempt to get AI bots to join them?

Is closed shop illegal UK?

Closed shops in Britain were made illegal following trade union legislation in 1990 and 1992: outlawing the practice of employers agreeing only to hire union members, and where employers had to remain union members in order to remain employed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_shop

Thanks for proving that right to work is a Conservative attempt to restrict workers rights to collectively bargain and allow corporations to abuse their workers.
Who could possibly have been in charge in the UK in 1990 and 1992?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

A world without unions is a return to feudalism.

The absence of strong and effective labor unions in both the public and private sectors is a symptom of a society ripe for revolution.

If I'm sure of anything, I'm sure of that.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Wrong question. Right-to-work gives the worker an option to join or not join as their personal decision. The union gets the government to make laws forcing membership (closed shop). The real question is, Why do unions have to force membership if their benefits are so valuable?

Incorrect. Read Saunders' post #85 for why.

Right to work shops lose most of their final weapon -- strike -- because the non-union guys can and will continue to work, alongside newly-procured scabs. What happens then? The company refuses to bargain, locks out union members, and goes its merry way with the scabs and the non-union employees. This is a great benefit to the company as those ppl get paid less. Without representation, benefits like pensions, paid health care insurance, PTO, etc. can and will be cut. I've seen it happen.

You Reichwingers cry about the weakening middle class and how it's not like the good old days when one parent could afford to stay home with the kids while the other made a good living. Killing unions is one of the reasons why.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Incorrect. Read Saunders' post #85 for why.

Right to work shops lose most of their final weapon -- strike -- because the non-union guys can and will continue to work, alongside newly-procured scabs. What happens then? The company refuses to bargain, locks out union members, and goes its merry way with the scabs and the non-union employees. This is a great benefit to the company as those ppl get paid less. Without representation, benefits like pensions, paid health care insurance, PTO, etc. can and will be cut. I've seen it happen.

You Reichwingers cry about the weakening middle class and how it's not like the good old days when one parent could afford to stay home with the kids while the other made a good living. Killing unions is one of the reasons why.

Too bad for them. If the union was clearly worth joining, they would have no problem getting people to voluntarily sign up.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Why should workers who don't pays dues or equivalent non-member fees get the union benefits, the acquisition of which was accomplished despite their obstruction.
The only thing assholes like that deserve is a good fucking beating in the parking lot until they decide to work someplace else.
That's the way it has to be for workplace justice to exist.

Can't agree with the violence part, but I can sure see why you feel that way.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why should workers who don't pays dues or equivalent non-member fees get the union benefits, the acquisition of which was accomplished despite their obstruction.
The only thing assholes like that deserve is a good fucking beating in the parking lot until they decide to work someplace else.
That's the way it has to be for workplace justice to exist.

How utterly fascist and totalitarian of you...

 

[Flash]

Corporations pay legislators to pass these laws.

That method obviously does not work in about half the states.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

How utterly fascist and totalitarian of you...

Just like you pushing corporate autocracies on Americans? What's the difference between a communist politburo and your coporate board having total control over the employment of Americans? Employee input. No negotiation for better wages or benefits, just the race to the bottom like we've been seeing since the end of Vietnam?

 

[Flash]

A world without unions is a return to feudalism.

The absence of strong and effective labor unions in both the public and private sectors is a symptom of a society ripe for revolution.

If I'm sure of anything, I'm sure of that.

Our society has never had that and we haven't had a revolution, yet.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

I dont care where you live, I just asked if your performance was based on daily posts our maybe weekly?

yet another dumbfuck, no wonder you need a union

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Just like you pushing corporate autocracies on Americans? What's the difference between a communist politburo and your coporate board having total control over the employment of Americans? Employee input. No negotiation for better wages or benefits, just the race to the bottom like we've been seeing since the end of Vietnam?

Sure, some corporations don't play nice. But you seem to think workers are powerless on their own to negotiate with any corporation. Unions can be just as bad as corporations and leave workers just as powerless. Aside from that, in modern times there's more to a job, particularly one you want to make a career of, than just pay and benefits. Unions and union leaders that think in terms of just protecting members current jobs while getting them more pay and benefits to do the same thing are dinosaurs in today's economy.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Those workers will now earn larger wages, along with benefits. How does that qualify for "fucking"?

If Someone Is Not a Union Man, He Is Not a Man at All. He Is a Manservant.


The entire Right and the entire Left are mortal enemies of Populism. The specious spectrum is controlled by spoiled and sheltered richkids. This country was built by those born in the White working class. The others never belonged here. Get rid of hereditary privileges or let them face French consequences. Whites who are born rich deplore, despise, hate, and fear all other people. That's how the "Democratic" Party betrayed its original Populism.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Despite what many CEO’s and right-wing politicians may say, unions created many benefits all Americans enjoy today. Becoming a union member is a step toward progress, find out what unions have created for our country:

The Weekend

In 1870, the average workweek for most Americans was 61 hours — almost double what most Americans work now. Yet in the late nineteenth century and the twentieth century, labor unions engaged in massive strikes in order to demand shorter workweeks so that Americans could be home with their loved ones instead of constantly toiling for their employers with no leisure time. By 1937, these labor actions created enough political momentum to pass the Fair Labor Standards Act, which helped create a federal framework for a shorter workweek that included room for leisure time.

End of Child Labor

“Union organizing and child labor reform were often intertwined” in U.S. history, with organization’s like the “National Consumers’ League” and the National Child Labor Committee” working together in the early 20th century to ban child labor. The very first American Federation of Labor (AFL) national convention passed “a resolution calling on states to ban children under 14 from all gainful employment” in 1881, and soon after states across the country adopted similar recommendations, leading up to the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act which regulated child labor on the federal level for the first time.

40 hour work week

“The rise of unions in the 1930′s and 1940′s led to the first great expansion of health care” for all Americans, as labor unions banded workers together to negotiate for health coverage plans from employers. In 1942, “the US set up a National War Labor Board. It had the power to set a cap on all wage increases. But it let employers circumvent the cap by offering “fringe benefits” – notably, health insurance.” By 1950, “half of all companies with fewer than 250 workers and two-thirds of all companies with more than 250 workers offered health insurance of one kind or another.”

8 hour work day

Unemployment Benefits

Workers Compensation Laws

Employer-Based Health Coverage

Family and Medical Leave Act

 

[Nordberg]

Too bad for them. If the union was clearly worth joining, they would have no problem getting people to voluntarily sign up.

Not true. there are lots of people in America who have been trained to believe unions are simply bad, and would blindly refuse to join. I had a discussion about unions with several mid-20s. They all hated unions, but they could not explain why. They just knew they are bad. They would gladly give up all their power to the owners.
Unions get no positive press. They are always bad in movies too.

 

[Theywillneverlearn!]

Fuck you.
This is an area in which I have rolled up my sleeves and have been very active.
I regard union busters and scabs to be on the same moral level as terrorists and child molesters..at best.
And that's how I've treated them my entire adult life.
I don't back down one millimeter on unions.

Then you would know I am 100% right. You white, woke, dumb ass democrat fuck.

 

[anonymoose]

Those workers will now earn larger wages, along with benefits. How does that qualify for "fucking"?

Don't ask serious and reasonable questions, FF. They might hit you with a 12B or something.
We have a reputation to keep around here.

My good friend had an engineering firm in Anchorage with about a dozen employees. The day after they unionized he shut the company down.
He had no problem finding new employees when he started his new firm about a week later.