Columbia University to No Longer Require SAT/ACT for Undergrad Admissions

BidenPresident said:
You have a history of being a dumb fucking asshole.
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How would you know...

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Bigdog said:
Testing provides a check and balance on the quality of secondary schools and their grading. Duh.
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That's right. Schools always SAY they're doing a great job. We need to verify that and the SAT is a good way. Make EVERY student take the SAT to graduate from HS and require a score of 500+ on both sections. Just an average score - at least for white students.
 
40 years ago there as a spate of public debate (radio, public TV, newspaper OP-ED's, magazines) as to whether a child's or young adult's academic life (much less their live's economic/social path) be determined by one test.

Naturally most of those who did well or great on such a test embrace all the dogma surrounding it. Like wise, most of those who did the opposite reject such. And then there's a growing "middle ground" who question both extremes.

When I was a kid in college, I took a course where the class had to put together a newspaper. At one point, I visited the campus printing center to give them the layout and various articles. While there the manager and I struck up a conversation. "Tell you something, kid", he said. "I learned this business from the ground up....got a part time job straight out of high school at a local print shop...started from the bottom, worked my way up. All that's gone now....they tell kids like you that you have to "specialize" and take this and that course, get this and that degree. Damn shame, so much talent out there won't get a real chance to learn".

Just saying.
 
Taichiliberal said:
40 years ago there as a spate of public debate (radio, public TV, newspaper OP-ED's, magazines) as to whether a child's or young adult's academic life (much less their live's economic/social path) be determined by one test.

Naturally most of those who did well or great on such a test embrace all the dogma surrounding it. Like wise, most of those who did the opposite reject such. And then there's a growing "middle ground" who question both extremes.

When I was a kid in college, I took a course where the class had to put together a newspaper. At one point, I visited the campus printing center to give them the layout and various articles. While there the manager and I struck up a conversation. "Tell you something, kid", he said. "I learned this business from the ground up....got a part time job straight out of high school at a local print shop...started from the bottom, worked my way up. All that's gone now....they tell kids like you that you have to "specialize" and take this and that course, get this and that degree. Damn shame, so much talent out there won't get a real chance to learn".

Just saying.
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The pro SAT/ACT folks will tell you that it is data driven, that research shows a correlation between success on the test and how a student performs upon arriving on campus. And especially at an elite school such as Columbia it does no favors to a kid putting them in that environment if they aren’t equipped to handle it.

They’ll also argue it’s a great way for low income kids, often from underserved communities, to catch the attention of recruiters/admissions at elite schools.
 
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