Is "Make America Great Again" a racist slogan?

guno said:
Arby sees himself as a victim of racism :palm:

In fact he is a bitter aggrieved white man who sees minorities as threats

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What a fucking lying idiot :palm:
 
guno said:
Arby sees himself as a victim of racism :palm:

In fact he is a bitter aggrieved white man who sees minorities as threats

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Agreed. Tied to his fear is jealousy of seeing non-white people excel and surpass his own accomplishments.

How common is the reasoning of such people that the only way a person of color can excel is tokenism? Affirmative Action? Some other "unfair" boost which would explain why the person complaining is being left behind?
 
JesusAI said:
it was better prior to sending all the jobs to china. that started in earnest in the 90's.

rolling back globalization stupidity to a prior point of more sensefulness should be the goal.

'again' is the correct word.
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Why do people fall into the trap of making China the boogy man for everything.

That is just TRUMPTARDED to me.

For when I lost my career, it was not because I lost my job to CHINA- It was because I lost my job to INDIA!

More IT jobs were lost to India- THAN EVER CHINA.

LOOK IT UP!

People need to just think before they use CHINA as the dog to kick for everything.

India has sucked up as many US jobs as China, but no one ever mentions that!

This is more about how Donald Trump and his liars at FOX NEWS is controlling everyone's thinking and misappropriately shifting blame for certain things wherever he wants it.
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
Why do people fall into the trap of making China the boogy man for everything.

That is just TRUMPTARDED to me.

For when I lost my career, it was not because I lost my job to CHINA- It was because I lost my job to INDIA!

More IT jobs were lost to India- THAN EVER CHINA.

LOOK IT UP!

People need to just think before they use CHINA as the dog to kick for everything.

India has sucked up as many US jobs as China, but no one ever mentions that!

This is more about how Donald Trump and his liars at FOX NEWS is controlling everyone's thinking and misappropriately shifting blame for certain things wherever he wants it.
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yes. india also.

this is more about sensible trade policy than xenophobia as you allege.

globalist fanaticism is the boogey man.
 
Hello BartenderElite,

BartenderElite said:
Just watching the Bryan Cranston interview w/ Chris Wallace. He makes a good point: if you're black, when was America "great?"

If you watch Obama's inaugural speech, and see African Americans crying about what a milestone his election represents, you realize how far we've come. If you watch what happened w/ Kyle Rittenhouse, and imagine how it would have been if he was black, you also realize how far we have to go.

Interested in other thoughts on this topic. I have always felt there were some racial undertones to "MAGA," and I'm actually 100% that for some supporters, that was what it was about.
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MAGA = racist.

There is no making America great again for black people. America never was great for black people. There is no 'again' about it. Spot on. Nailed it. MAGA is racist.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello BartenderElite,



MAGA = racist.

There is no making America great again for black people. America never was great for black people. Spot on.
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So, in all honesty, you really think every African-American would have been better off if their ancestors had stayed in Nigeria? Burkina Faso? Cameroon? That had their enemies in Africa hadn't sold their ancestors, that their lives would have been better? Filled with happiness and prosperity?

I agree it's been a terrible road, but the road in America is better for all Americans than it is in Africa, most of South and Central America, most of Asia and Europe if you're Jewish. It's why so many want to immigrate here. Why did Pedo Don whine about immigrants from Shithole Countries if there weren't a lot of them seeking to come to America?

You and I can agree that the US can be a lot better, a lot more tolerant and certainly become greater by maximizing the potential of all its citizens, but to say it was never great for anyone but Euro-American males is as distorted as anything the Trumpers post about it.

https://www.nps.gov/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/histcontextsd.htm
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Good morning Doc,

Doc Dutch said:
So, in all honesty, you really think every African-American would have been better off if their ancestors had stayed in Nigeria? Burkina Faso? Cameroon? That had their enemies in Africa hadn't sold their ancestors, that their lives would have been better? Filled with happiness and prosperity?

I agree it's been a terrible road, but the road in America is better for all Americans than it is in Africa, most of South and Central America, most of Asia and Europe if you're Jewish. It's why so many want to immigrate here. Why did Pedo Don whine about immigrants from Shithole Countries if there weren't a lot of them seeking to come to America?

You and I can agree that the US can be a lot better, a lot more tolerant and certainly become greater by maximizing the potential of all its citizens, but to say it was never great for anyone but Euro-American males is as distorted as anything the Trumpers post about it.

https://www.nps.gov/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/histcontextsd.htm
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The kidnapping and enslavement of other humans is not justified. It doesn't matter if some of the descendants of slaves have managed to build a better life than they might have had. Many of the current mixed heritage people would not even exist had slaves never been brought to America. The importation of slaves was halted. Slaves were then bred like animals. None of that would have happened without American slavery.

Plenty of good came from slavery but none of it is justified. America became a financial empire strong enough to gain independence. It is still not justified.
 
PoliTalker said:
Good morning Doc,

The kidnapping and enslavement of other humans is not justified. It doesn't matter if some of the descendants of slaves have managed to build a better life than they might have had. Many of the current mixed heritage people would not even exist had slaves never been brought to America. The importation of slaves was halted. Slaves were then bred like animals. None of that would have happened without American slavery.

Plenty of good came from slavery but none of it is justified. America became a financial empire strong enough to gain independence. It is still not justified.
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Agreed. What does that have to do with my reply to your flat statement that America was never great for African-Americans?

Let's not forget that a lot of American colonists were indentured servants. Is that justified, Poli? Why don't you care about them?

https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/indentured-servants-in-the-us/
Indentured servants first arrived in America in the decade following the settlement of Jamestown by the Virginia Company in 1607.

The idea of indentured servitude was born of a need for cheap labor. The earliest settlers soon realized that they had lots of land to care for, but no one to care for it. With passage to the Colonies expensive for all but the wealthy, the Virginia Company developed the system of indentured servitude to attract workers. Indentured servants became vital to the colonial economy.

The timing of the Virginia colony was ideal. The Thirty Year's War had left Europe's economy depressed, and many skilled and unskilled laborers were without work. A new life in the New World offered a glimmer of hope; this explains how one-half to two-thirds of the immigrants who came to the American colonies arrived as indentured servants.

Servants typically worked four to seven years in exchange for passage, room, board, lodging and freedom dues. While the life of an indentured servant was harsh and restrictive, it wasn't slavery. There were laws that protected some of their rights. But their life was not an easy one, and the punishments meted out to people who wronged were harsher than those for non-servants. An indentured servant's contract could be extended as punishment for breaking a law, such as running away, or in the case of female servants, becoming pregnant.

For those that survived the work and received their freedom package, many historians argue that they were better off than those new immigrants who came freely to the country. Their contract may have included at least 25 acres of land, a year's worth of corn, arms, a cow and new clothes. Some servants did rise to become part of the colonial elite, but for the majority of indentured servants that survived the treacherous journey by sea and the harsh conditions of life in the New World, satisfaction was a modest life as a freeman in a burgeoning colonial economy.

In 1619 the first black Africans came to Virginia. With no slave laws in place, they were initially treated as indentured servants, and given the same opportunities for freedom dues as whites. However, slave laws were soon passed – in Massachusetts in 1641 and Virginia in 1661 –and any small freedoms that might have existed for blacks were taken away.

As demands for labor grew, so did the cost of indentured servants. Many landowners also felt threatened by newly freed servants demand for land. The colonial elite realized the problems of indentured servitude. Landowners turned to African slaves as a more profitable and ever-renewable source of labor and the shift from indentured servants to racial slavery had begun.
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Hello Doc,

Doc Dutch said:
Agreed. What does that have to do with my reply to your flat statement that America was never great for African-Americans?

Let's not forget that a lot of American colonists were indentured servants. Is that justified, Poli? Why don't you care about them?

https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/indentured-servants-in-the-us/
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This amounts to trying to stir something up when there is nothing there.

MAGA is racist. America was never a great place to be a black person. It can't be made great 'again' if it never was great in the first place.

Things have certainly improved for black people but it was never great. Black people do not enjoy the same level of success as white people.

Our policing is systematically bad for black people. Nobody has to be concerned about 'Driving While White.'
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Doc

This amounts to trying to stir something up when there is nothing there.

MAGA is racist.

America was never a great place to be a black person. It can't be made great 'again' if it never was great in the first place.

Things have certainly improved for black people but it was never great. Black people do not enjoy the same level of success as white people.

Our policing is systematically bad for black people. Nobody has to be concerned about 'Driving While White.'
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The phrase isn't racist, just stupid. The movement is, indeed, a white supremacist movement as I posted previously.

Disagreed that America was never a great place to live for African-Americans, again, for aforementioned reasons.
 
Hello Doc,

Doc Dutch said:
The phrase isn't racist, just stupid. The movement is, indeed, a white supremacist movement as I posted previously.

Disagreed that America was never a great place to live for African-Americans, again, for aforementioned reasons.
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Agreed it is a stupid phrase. Trump never explained the obvious question: When did America cease being great?

If America was great, but not any more, when was it great?

Pick a year. Pick a decade. Explain what made it great and why that has ceased being the case.

Trump won't do it. His followers won't do it. That is because they are not proud of the '800 lb gorilla in the room' racist answer they won't admit out loud.

It is a meaningless catch-all phrase meant to appeal to shallow minds who have not thought things through. It appeals to racists who did not like seeing a black man elected president. That is the unspoken answer. They think America ceased being great when President Obama was elected. There. I said it.
 
BartenderElite said:
Just watching the Bryan Cranston interview w/ Chris Wallace. He makes a good point: if you're black, when was America "great?"

If you watch Obama's inaugural speech, and see African Americans crying about what a milestone his election represents, you realize how far we've come. If you watch what happened w/ Kyle Rittenhouse, and imagine how it would have been if he was black, you also realize how far we have to go.

Interested in other thoughts on this topic. I have always felt there were some racial undertones to "MAGA," and I'm actually 100% that for some supporters, that was what it was about.
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No ..but this is

Black life's matter





Make America Great ......includes everyone
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Doc,



Agreed it is a stupid phrase. Trump never explained the obvious question: When did America cease being great?

If America was great, but not any more, when was it great?

Pick a year. Pick a decade. Explain what made it great and why that has ceased being the case.

Trump won't do it. His followers won't do it. That is because they are not proud of the '800 lb gorilla in the room' racist answer they won't admit out loud.

It is a meaningless catch-all phrase meant to appeal to shallow minds who have not thought things through. It appeals to racists who did not like seeing a black man elected president. That is the unspoken answer. They think America ceased being great when President Obama was elected. There. I said it.
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Agreed on the bolded.
 
Jarod said:
It is clear to me it is about breeding resentment against minorities to stir up hate that motivates people to get to the polls.

I noticed you cant give a direct answer to my question.
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no.

it's about actually making america great again by enforcing the border and fixing stupid trade polices.
 
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