The Art of Ignoring the 800lb Gorilla

Dixie, your very 1st reaction to this (actually, sorry about that - your 2nd reaction, because your 1st was to make this guy a victim and put all the blame on Obama), was to conclude that this was clearly a terrorist act, based ONLY on the fact that the guy had a Muslim affiliation. This was before anything else on that topic came out. It was based solely on him being a Muslim.

Think about that.
 
Socrtease said:
Then every killer of an Abortion Doctor is a terrorist and every bomb that goes off or acid bath that a clinic gets is a terrorist act. Are you really comfortable with that? Lone wolfs seeking a political goal through the use of violence, encouraged by leaders of the pro-life community, who while not acting out themselves, call acts like shooting doctors, defense of others. I think that you righties need to think this out, or your anti-choice zealots could find themselves in the same place.
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Yes, people who kill abortion doctors would be, IMO, homegrown terrorists. I've even said so in the past.
 
Socrtease said:
Then every killer of an Abortion Doctor is a terrorist and every bomb that goes off or acid bath that a clinic gets is a terrorist act. Are you really comfortable with that? Lone wolfs seeking a political goal through the use of violence, encouraged by leaders of the pro-life community, who while not acting out themselves, call acts like shooting doctors, defense of others. I think that you righties need to think this out, or your anti-choice zealots could find themselves in the same place.
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I'd rep you for this if I could. :good4u:
 
Damocles said:
True.
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George Hennard shot and killed 23 people in Killeen.

Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people at VA Tech.

Julio Gonzalez killed 87 people in a Bronx arson.

David Burke caused a plane crash where 43 people died.

Huberto de la Torre torched an apartment building and 25 people died.

These and others like them have gone down in notoriety as "mass murderers".

Nidal Hasan went on a rampage and killed 13 people, but he's being called a "terrorist". Clearly his being a Muslim has something to do with it.
 
christiefan915 said:
Nidal Hasan went on a rampage and killed 13 people, but he's being called a "terrorist". Clearly his being a Muslim has something to do with it.
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I'm pretty sure him yelling 'allahu akbar' had alot to do with swaying people in to thinking it was because he was muslim. Had he kept his mouth shut while still killing people, we probably wouldn't be debating it.
 
christiefan915 said:
George Hennard shot and killed 23 people in Killeen.

Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people at VA Tech.

Julio Gonzalez killed 87 people in a Bronx arson.

David Burke caused a plane crash where 43 people died.

Huberto de la Torre torched an apartment building and 25 people died.

These and others like them have gone down in notoriety as "mass murderers".

Nidal Hasan went on a rampage and killed 13 people, but he's being called a "terrorist". Clearly his being a Muslim has something to do with it.
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Only one of those did what they did for religion or to progress a political cause.

This isn't that hard, the attempt to try to obfuscate and distract isn't really working.
 
Ice Dancer said:
The key is; was there a political agenda that he had aligned himself with?
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Exactly.

I believe, from the evidence at hand, he made that clear as he contacted that Imam, as he spoke positively of suicide bombers, etc. This gentleman (using the word very loosely here) was clearly a part of a larger tapestry.
 
Onceler said:
Dixie, your very 1st reaction to this (actually, sorry about that - your 2nd reaction, because your 1st was to make this guy a victim and put all the blame on Obama), was to conclude that this was clearly a terrorist act, based ONLY on the fact that the guy had a Muslim affiliation. This was before anything else on that topic came out. It was based solely on him being a Muslim.

Think about that.
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First of all, you little incurious idiot, I didn't make a victim out of Hassan OR put all the blame on Obama, and as has been pointed out, his screaming "allah akbar" while murdering the infidels, after months of voicing his support for jihadists and opposition to US policies, has a little bit to do with why people conclude he is a terrorist, not ONLY because he has a Muslim affiliation! As I said, if a Muslim affiliation made you a terrorist, then President Obama is a terrorist! No one has made such a claim.

I'm going to ask this again, for those who aren't brain-dead Obamanites, would the left be treating this differently under George W. Bush? The answer, if you are intellectually honest, is HELL YES! Instead of getting apologies for the guy, instead of us being castigated for daring to think bad of him, instead of calling us racist profilers, you would all be blaming Bush incompetence and there would be NO doubt this guy was a card-carrying member of alQaeda who infiltrated our military while Bush slept at the switch. THAT is how this would be played, if Bush were still the president.
 
Dixie said:
First of all, you little incurious idiot, I didn't make a victim out of Hassan OR put all the blame on Obama, and as has been pointed out, his screaming "allah akbar" while murdering the infidels, after months of voicing his support for jihadists and opposition to US policies, has a little bit to do with why people conclude he is a terrorist, not ONLY because he has a Muslim affiliation! As I said, if a Muslim affiliation made you a terrorist, then President Obama is a terrorist! No one has made such a claim.

I'm going to ask this again, for those who aren't brain-dead Obamanites, would the left be treating this differently under George W. Bush? The answer, if you are intellectually honest, is HELL YES! Instead of getting apologies for the guy, instead of us being castigated for daring to think bad of him, instead of calling us racist profilers, you would all be blaming Bush incompetence and there would be NO doubt this guy was a card-carrying member of alQaeda who infiltrated our military while Bush slept at the switch. THAT is how this would be played, if Bush were still the president.
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That's not true at all; you are projecting again. We don't even have to guess with you: it IS the way you reacted with Obama as President.

And your first comment on this was to ridicule the idea that this might not be terrorism, ONLY because he was a Muslim. All of the stuff about what he was shouting & what he believed had not come out yet. I can grab the quote if you would like.
 
Onceler said:
That's not true at all; you are projecting again. We don't even have to guess with you: it IS the way you reacted with Obama as President.

And your first comment on this was to ridicule the idea that this might not be terrorism, ONLY because he was a Muslim. All of the stuff about what he was shouting & what he believed had not come out yet. I can grab the quote if you would like.
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I ridiculed it because it is RIDICULOUS! He was a Muslim who became radicalize (in the US), and was carrying out a terrorist act on a US military base. To even have the audacity to float the notion he wasn't a terrorist and this wasn't a terrorist act, is the height of arrogance. And even WITH all that has come out about what he was shouting and what he believed, what his activities were prior to this, you STILL want to defend him and castigate me!
 
All this terrorist talk will do is to get another republican in trouble for beating an innocent citizen lihe the Greek Priest.
 
Dixie said:
I ridiculed it because it is RIDICULOUS! He was a Muslim who became radicalize (in the US), and was carrying out a terrorist act on a US military base. To even have the audacity to float the notion he wasn't a terrorist and this wasn't a terrorist act, is the height of Ignorance. And even WITH all that has come out about what he was shouting and what he believed, what his activities were prior to this, you STILL want to defend him and castigate me!
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fixed that for ya D. ignorance was more appropriate than arrogance because arrogance would imply that they were somewhat right and, well they just aren't.
 
Dixie said:
I ridiculed it because it is RIDICULOUS! He was a Muslim who became radicalize (in the US), and was carrying out a terrorist act on a US military base. To even have the audacity to float the notion he wasn't a terrorist and this wasn't a terrorist act, is the height of arrogance. And even WITH all that has come out about what he was shouting and what he believed, what his activities were prior to this, you STILL want to defend him and castigate me!
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Where did I defend him? Can you show me exactly where?

YOU defended him, by blaming Obama.

And I can't believe you are missing this: you ridiculed the idea, because he was a MUSLIM, which is all that was known at the time. We didn't know anything about "radical", or what he shouted. We just knew the religion, and that is the only reason you stated at that time.
 
Dixie said:
I have said on many occasions, and apparently, much to the amazement of pinheads, that 1 can't be divided evenly by 3, and to the best of my knowledge, this simple division problem still produces a remainder. So you can continue claiming I have said something else, as Ice Dancer said, all you can do is PROJECT something into what I say, and refute that. Mentally vacant assholes!
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You still don't understand how you're wrong on that one. funny.
 
Onceler said:
Where did I defend him? Can you show me exactly where?

YOU defended him, by blaming Obama.

And I can't believe you are missing this: you ridiculed the idea, because he was a MUSLIM, which is all that was known at the time. We didn't know anything about "radical", or what he shouted. We just knew the religion, and that is the only reason you stated at that time.
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You defend him every time you open your mouth, you little fuckwit! And yes, we knew almost immediately that he was a Muslim, and that he murdered 14 people on a military base! Now we find out, he was posting radical shit on the internet, he was sympathizing with suicide bombers, expressing support for jihad and opposition to US policies.... but I guess that wasn't enough for someone to question along the way, since he is a Muslim, and to bring anything negative to light, would have been portrayed as judgmental bigotry based on his religion alone.
 
Dixie said:
You defend him every time you open your mouth, you little fuckwit! And yes, we knew almost immediately that he was a Muslim, and that he murdered 14 people on a military base! Now we find out, he was posting radical shit on the internet, he was sympathizing with suicide bombers, expressing support for jihad and opposition to US policies.... but I guess that wasn't enough for someone to question along the way, since he is a Muslim, and to bring anything negative to light, would have been portrayed as judgmental bigotry based on his religion alone.
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Well, at least you know you're wrong now; it's always clear when you go into spin overdrive.

All we knew was that he was a Muslim and that he murdered 14 people. Are you suggesting that this is enough to qualify it as an "act of terrorism?"

Is any murder w/ multiple victims an "act of terrorism," as we apply the phrase now?
 
Damocles said:
Only one of those did what they did for religion or to progress a political cause.

This isn't that hard, the attempt to try to obfuscate and distract isn't really working.
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So anytime ANYONE commits a crime in the name of their religious beliefs it's terrorism? I am not talking stupid things like shoplifting or shit like that, but I know Andrea Yates killed her kids because they were possessed by the devil and god wanted her to kill them to save their souls. I just don't know that I am comfortable calling every religiously motivated act of violence terrorism. If they can prove that he was directed by someone, that he was part of group beyond the internet where he sympathized. This is a sllipperly slope that then allows our government the power to crack down on people because of their religious beliefs. But so long as he is just one of those crackpot Jihadist Muslims I guess it is ok to give the government that sort of power.
 
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