“Woke”

LV426 said:
I said TRY TO cancel the election...you left off the try to because you want my judgment to be as bad as yours.

As you can see in the actual quotes from the actual posts, that I'd been saying they would try to cancel the election since March 2020.

So how come you didn't link to that post? Because then it would establish that I had always thought they would try to cancel the election.
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I copied and pasted the actual post. It says the same thing as the link.

Feel free to post the link. Nowhere does it contain "try."

You thought they would "try" on April 8 but not on April 27 when you dropped the "try"?

My entire point from the beginning was that the election would not be cancelled. It was not.

All the rest is silly obfuscation of that fact.
 
Flash said:
I copied and pasted the actual post. It says the same thing as the link.
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Nope.

The difference is that the link provides the context for the post, which is why you're not posting the link...because the context doesn't match what you're trying to portray and you know it.
 
Flash said:
Feel free to post the link. Nowhere does it contain "try."
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The thread is a response to you denying that they would try to cancel the election...that's why it says "of course Flash was wrong", what were you wrong about? About the GOP and Trump not trying to cancel the election, which is what I had been saying for more than a month before April 27th.

Hope this helps clear things up for you.
 
Flash said:
You thought they would "try" on April 8 but not on April 27 when you dropped the "try"?
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I didn't drop the try, the thread was titled "of course Flash was wrong", and what were you wrong about? About them not trying to cancel the election, which I had been saying for a month.

So the post that you think is a gotcha is actually a gotcha ON YOU because it was made in response to the GOP canceling primaries.

For someone who screams about context, you sure abuse it when it comes to JPP.
 
LV426 said:
Actually, everybody knows because I linked to the thread and post.

You didn't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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My links to posts do not always work. Please link to that site for me so everybody can see that you did not say "try" in that April 27 post.
 
Jarod said:
Nobody is 100% woke, that's for sure.... it would be like someone claiming to be perfect. I never met anyone who claimed that. I hold firm, we can be imperfect and still promote improvement or even striving for perfection. We do not have to be 100% "woke" to promote ending racism.
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This is all just touchy feely abstract rhetoric. It's easy to say 'end racism' just like its easy to tell others to 'be nice'. The irony is its almost why things won't change. People declare themselves to be woke and say they want to end racism then go on with their daily life doing nothing different and using the previous example, continue with racist housing policies or anything else. Because who really wants to look in the mirror and say maybe I'm not as woke as I think I am, what can I do different? It's much more satisfying, on a board such as this, to declare yourself as woke and have politically like minded people thank your post and you feel good about yourself.
 
Flash said:
My links to posts do not always work. Please link to that site for me so everybody can see that you did not say "try" in that April 27 post.
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The thread itself was in response to what I had talked about earlier in April and March, about the canceling of the primaries.

That's why I titled the thread "Of course Flash was wrong".
 
Flash said:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...rse-Flash-was-wrong&highlight=cancel+election

Here is the link. Show me the "try" in that post.

Notice that there is not a single reply to your thread. That should show you the level of interest in this topic.
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Here's the actual post:

New York Becomes First State To Outright Cancel Presidential Primary
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/n...lation-sanders

NY won't be the last either. This is what Trump and the GOP have been dreaming of since this COVID outbreak started. Any excuse they can use to cancel elections, they will use it.

Step 1: Delay or cancel primaries (already happened)
Step 2: Oppose mail-in balloting by destroying the post office (already happening)
Step 3: Cancel the general election out of concerns for "safety"; concerns that could have been addressed, if not for Step #2.
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So I didn't actually say they would cancel the election, and this thread is clearly in reference to the April 7th post where we argued about the NY primary being canceled, since that is the link at the top of the OP.

It doesn't seem to me like you put as much of an effort into reading my posts as I put into reading yours.

So what were you wrong about? Canceling the primaries, which we argued about two weeks before this thread was posted.
 
cawacko said:
This is all just touchy feely abstract rhetoric. It's easy to say 'end racism' just like its easy to tell others to 'be nice'. The irony is its almost why things won't change. People declare themselves to be woke and say they want to end racism then go on with their daily life doing nothing different and using the previous example, continue with racist housing policies or anything else. Because who really wants to look in the mirror and say maybe I'm not as woke as I think I am, what can I do different? It's much more satisfying, on a board such as this, to declare yourself as woke and have politically like minded people thank your post and you feel good about yourself.
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[h=1]Professors Are Sharply Divided on DEI Statements in Hiring, Survey Finds[/h]As diversity statements in faculty hiring are increasingly scrutinized by Republican-controlled state legislatures, a new survey suggests that faculty members themselves are sharply divided on the issue.
The survey, the results of which were released Tuesday by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, asked about 1,500 faculty members which description of diversity statements more closely aligned with their view: “a justifiable requirement for a job at a university” or “an ideological litmus test that violates academic freedom.” Half of respondents endorsed the first option, and half identified with the second.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/p...xwApeVwTM6NKHrm2mP1RVw&cid2=gen_login_refresh
 
Yakuda said:
Avalanches of shit is a good phrase as I sometimes get as many as 7or 8 replies to just one of my posts from that wing nut. That one is REALLY unhinged.
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Stick 'em all together and give the dumbass a one-word response. He'll suffer avalanche-strain syndrome soon enough.



Haw, haw.................................haw.

Welcome to the posse.
 
LV426 said:
They're not supposed to impress anyone...they're supposed to organize your thoughts for you since you're incapable of organizing them yourself.
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LV426 said:
So instead of defending yourself and your awful arguments, you're trying to get me kicked off the forums so that you can have a safe space.
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Consider yourself dumbass jetsum.


Haw, haw.......................................haw.
 
cawacko said:
This is all just touchy feely abstract rhetoric. It's easy to say 'end racism' just like its easy to tell others to 'be nice'. The irony is its almost why things won't change. People declare themselves to be woke and say they want to end racism then go on with their daily life doing nothing different and using the previous example, continue with racist housing policies or anything else. Because who really wants to look in the mirror and say maybe I'm not as woke as I think I am, what can I do different? It's much more satisfying, on a board such as this, to declare yourself as woke and have politically like minded people thank your post and you feel good about yourself.
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If someone thinks that calling themselves woke absolves them of any responsibility regarding racism, I agree that would be silly.
 
Flash said:
[h=1]Professors Are Sharply Divided on DEI Statements in Hiring, Survey Finds[/h]As diversity statements in faculty hiring are increasingly scrutinized by Republican-controlled state legislatures, a new survey suggests that faculty members themselves are sharply divided on the issue.
The survey, the results of which were released Tuesday by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, asked about 1,500 faculty members which description of diversity statements more closely aligned with their view: “a justifiable requirement for a job at a university” or “an ideological litmus test that violates academic freedom.” Half of respondents endorsed the first option, and half identified with the second.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/p...xwApeVwTM6NKHrm2mP1RVw&cid2=gen_login_refresh
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Brings to mind the anti-communist pledges some professors were asked to sign back in the day.

I'm sure people might ask what's wrong with having people make a DEI statement because like wokeness, it looks like a good thing on the surface. How can you argue against it? But as with many things, the devil is in the details and the reality is its an ideological test (which ironically is the opposite of diversity).
 
cawacko said:
Brings to mind the anti-communist pledges some professors were asked to sign back in the day.

I'm sure people might ask what's wrong with having people make a DEI statement because like wokeness, it looks like a good thing on the surface. How can you argue against it? But as with many things, the devil is in the details and the reality is its an ideological test (which ironically is the opposite of diversity).
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As a goal it is admirable but too often a commitment to diversity is measured by a person's position on certain issues (affirmative action, reparations). I heard a female author on C-SPAN argue the best way to achieve diversity is to not hire any more white people.

I had a friend teaching a course in feminism and defined it as simply favoring "equality." She had problems deciding if a person could be a feminist and opposed to abortion.
 
Flash said:
As a goal it is admirable but too often a commitment to diversity is measured by a person's position on certain issues (affirmative action, reparations). I heard a female author on C-SPAN argue the best way to achieve diversity is to not hire any more white people.

I had a friend teaching a course in feminism and defined it as simply favoring "equality." She had problems deciding if a person could be a feminist and opposed to abortion.
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It’s an interesting thought experiment, (we’ll stick to politics but it could apply elsewhere) if you’re a white male and strongly believe in DEI why would you run for higher office? The reality is politics is a zero sum game in terms of the number of Congressional seats and VP and Pres. What is a white male bringing today that hasn’t already been brought? It would go against human nature of course for someone to do that but it would be an act of putting beliefs into action.

(It’s kind of like NIMBYs who say I support new housing just not near me. I support DEI but not at the expense of my ambitions.)
 
Flash said:
As a goal it is admirable but too often a commitment to diversity is measured by a person's position on certain issues (affirmative action, reparations). I heard a female author on C-SPAN argue the best way to achieve diversity is to not hire any more white people.

I had a friend teaching a course in feminism and defined it as simply favoring "equality." She had problems deciding if a person could be a feminist and opposed to abortion.
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Got me thinking we have this goal to “end racism” but can we even define it? We all know blatant racism but there’s all kind of actions, activities or policies that some would claim is racist and others would say no way.

I’m sure the argument is the slogan is more of a mindset but from actionable items it’s hard to end something we can’t define.
 
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