reason # 4,072 of why we don't trust government

[NiftyNiblick]

I don't think you ever want the gun to be found because if it is, then your conspiracy theory becomes invalid.

I think what's more important to you here is the innuendo your conspiracy theory relies on, rather than the truth of what actually happened.

Because if you really wanted to get to the truth of what actually happened, you'd want to find the gun because you think the gun will help prove your conspiracy theory true...except that you don't have confidence in that conspiracy theory yourself because you won't reconcile the only conclusion to your theory that matters...WHAT NEXT?

LV usually references Las Vegas.
426 usually references the cubic inch displacement of an iconic, vintage Chrysler Corporation motorcar engine.

Both of those references are way too cool for you.
I'm guessing that it's just some random combination of Roman and Arabic numerals.

Did you turn 55 on April 26?

 

[Damocles]

Not if it was some bystander who happened upon the scene first.

About 800 guns disappear every day.

That's 34 guns every hour, 1 gun every 2 minutes.

So it's entirely believable that someone came along and took the gun from the scene, since so many guns just disappear every hour.

That's fine. I see that nothing would ever convince me that it would be good to have you be a jurist at any trial, whatever the "authorities" say, you believe without question regardless of evidence. I simply do not. As the OP noted. This is the reason that some folks do not trust "authorities" without question.

 

[LV426]

Again, guns do not walk away from suicides. The gun should be there if it was a suicide. That it is not tends to point to a different conclusion.

You keep saying this and I agree, guns don't just walk away. People steal them all the time.

But what does the gun prove if it's found 30 years later? This is why I think what has you so defensive here is the fact that your theory relies on innuendo and the gun not being found.

So think about that for a minute...really think about it. Really think about how your theory hinges on this thing never being found.

That's why when I asked, OK now what, you didn't have an answer. It's obviously because the innuendo is more important to you than the truth.

 

[Damocles]

I am repeating the facts that I know of the case, it isn’t saying stuff. You have fun with your conspiracy theories.

The story provides information you clearly did not have. Like the fact that a judge made the report public. And "fun" or not, it is as the OP said, one of the reasons some folks do not just trust "the authorities" simply because "the authorities" said so.

 

[LV426]

LV usually references Las Vegas.
426 usually references the cubic inch displacement of an iconic, vintage Chrysler Corporation motorcar engine.

Both of those references are way too cool for you.
I'm guessing that it's just some random combination of Roman and Arabic numerals.

Did you turn 55 on April 26?

LV-426 is the planet they landed on in Alien, which IMO is one of the greatest movies of all time with one of the greatest protagonists of all time.

It also had the best film review I think I've ever read: "Alien is a film where no one listens to the smart woman and then everyone dies except the smart woman and her cat. 4/4 stars."

 

[Damocles]

You keep saying this and I agree, guns don't just walk away. People steal them all the time.

But what does the gun prove if it's found 30 years later? This is why I think what has you so defensive here is the fact that your theory relies on innuendo and the gun not being found.

So think about that for a minute...really think about it. Really think about how your theory hinges on this thing never being found.

That's why when I asked, OK now what, you didn't have an answer. It's obviously because the innuendo is more important to you than the truth.

Yet I did. I said: Then we can find who took the gun, where, and why.

As I said before... It's all good. You seem to trust "the authorities" when they say what you want to hear. I tend to read the reports when they become public and make determinations based on information rather than what "the authorities" said.

I'm good with this. I just would not want you to be on a jury as whatever the prosecution said would be what you would believe. I distrust government. It is run by folks who almost never reach above average on the intelligence scale and have a strong lean towards borderline traits if not straight up narcissists and sociopaths.

 

[LV426]

That's fine. I see that nothing would ever convince me that it would be good to have you be a jurist at any trial, whatever the "authorities" say, you believe without question regardless of evidence. I simply do not. As the OP noted. This is the reason that some folks do not trust "authorities" without question.

There I go again with an unusually high standard that you and your "very fine people" just can't fucking meet no matter how hard you try.

Let's say the gun is found by a Newsmax reporter...what comes next?

What does the gun go to prove?

Because your argument seems to rely on the innuendo created by the gun's absence, and that's it.

 

[Damocles]

LV-426 is the planet they landed on in Alien, which IMO is one of the greatest movies of all time with one of the greatest protagonists of all time.

It also had the best film review I think I've ever read: "Alien is a film where no one listens to the smart woman and then everyone dies except the smart woman and her cat. 4/4 stars."

HEY! We agree on something! Alien is a great movie. I put it in the Classics and will usually watch it when it appears on my channel listings. (I will watch it if Road House or one of the John Wick movies aren't there).

 

[LV426]

The story provides information you clearly did not have. Like the fact that a judge made the report public. And "fun" or not, it is as the OP said, one of the reasons some folks do not just trust "the authorities" simply because "the authorities" said so.

Beyond innuendo, what evidence do you have that this was a setup?

 

[LV426]

Yet I did. I said: Then we can find who took the gun, where, and why.

How?

How do you determine that if a gun is found 30 years later?

How can you identify the chain of custody if the gun was stolen in the first place!?

This is why I asked you to really think about what you're saying here before you open your mouth.

It just seems really weird how every single Conservative has been bumbling their way through posts the last week rather thoughtlessly and stupidly.

 

[LV426]

As I said before... It's all good. You seem to trust "the authorities" when they say what you want to hear. I tend to read the reports when they become public and make determinations based on information rather than what "the authorities" said.

This isn't about a lack of trust in the authorities, it's about a lack of trust IN YOU.

I don't trust what YOU are saying about this.

You aren't a trustworthy person and instead of working on that, you project it out on everyone else.

 

[Phantasmal]

This isn't about a lack of trust in the authorities, it's about a lack of trust IN YOU.

I don't trust what YOU are saying about this.

You aren't a trustworthy person and instead of working on that, you project it out on everyone else.

We don’t know the details, we don’t know if Middleton attempted to hang himself and was unsuccessful then shot himself, we don’t know a lot of things. I just hope the families wishes are respected.

 

[LV426]

I'm good with this. I just would not want you to be on a jury as whatever the prosecution said would be what you would believe. I distrust government. It is run by folks who almost never reach above average on the intelligence scale and have a strong lean towards borderline traits if not straight up narcissists and sociopaths.

Every single time you go about declaring how smart or intelligent you are in relation to other people, you actually confirm how stupid and insecure you are instead.

Like, you know you're making a stupid conspiracy theory argument, but you have to dress it up as intelligent because it isn't and you have a persona you're trying to maintain here.

Since that failed because you don't think your conclusions through, you now fall back on comparing yourself to the people you are debating with in order to not feel like a fucking dumbass.

And I'll be the first to tell you...there are TONS of stupid people on JPP who love to say how smarter they think they are, but they end up saying that in the stupidest way possible.

It just happened today to Moon, and it happened last week to Uncensored2008.

 

[LV426]

HEY! We agree on something! Alien is a great movie. I put it in the Classics and will usually watch it when it appears on my channel listings. (I will watch it if Road House or one of the John Wick movies aren't there).

I think it's a perfect film. Every line of dialogue is important, every shot had meaning and was beautifully framed, and the monster is terrifying.

This is my favorite thing about it though...look at the guy in the upper left corner's ("a") reaction to the chest bursting scene during the first screening of the film for an audience:

 

[Damocles]

This isn't about a lack of trust in the authorities, it's about a lack of trust IN YOU.

I don't trust what YOU are saying about this.

You aren't a trustworthy person and instead of working on that, you project it out on everyone else.

LOL

Now I remember again why I do not often speak with you. I have noted often in the past that you cannot absorb new information, cannot listen, and remain purposefully obtuse thus making any real conversation with you impossible. Every once in a while I try again and once again am faced with this wall of purposeful ignorance. You are incapable of the simple ability to learn any fact or entertain any thought or opinion that does not fit within your limited worldview. There are often folks like that here, I do not often entertain a conversation with them.

Aristotle once said that intelligence is measured by the ability to entertain the thoughts of another even if you do not accept them. You are incapable of that. I will let you have the last word. You are sure in your certainty that government can always be trusted and that anyone who questions authority must be an idiot. I'm good with that. I will continue to question authority, and you by proxy, but I will do it without having continued conversations with you.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

We don’t know the details, we don’t know if Middleton attempted to hang himself and was unsuccessful then shot himself, we don’t know a lot of things. I just hope the families wishes are respected.

The report I read was entirely plausible; he hooked himself up to tree limb with an extension cord around his neck while standing on a picnic table, then shot himself in the chest with a shotgun. The OP was misleading in that it said the CAR was empty of a shotgun. No shit. It was laying at his feet. Doubling killing himself was a good plan. Even if the shotgun thing didn't work, he'd have ended up dead via strangulation.

If done right, like Robin Williams did, it's quite painless. Still, in Middleton's case, he was very serious about gettin' her done.

 

[anonymoose]

I bet he shot himself after he hung himself just like Vince foster drive himself to Fort Marcy Park after be shot himself.

And after he shot himself after hanging himself he hid the gun.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

And after he shot himself after hanging himself he hid the gun.

Conspiracy theory or outright lie. Which is it, anymouse?

 

[anonymoose]

Conspiracy theory or outright lie. Which is it, anymouse?

Neither of *your* answers is possible to be correct. How did the gun disappear after he supposedly used it to shoot himself after hanging himself?
There must be another answer.

 

[anonymoose]

I distrust government. It is run by folks who almost never reach above average on the intelligence scale and have a strong lean towards borderline traits if not straight up narcissists and sociopaths.

Indeed.