Trains

serendipity said:
They also start and terminate well outside big cities so you need to add the time to get to them and wait for passenger checkin and baggage carousels.
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A one-day turn around means nothing but a carry-on and you have transportation already arranged so it's straight to the curb then down to business.

For trains, they have to creep into the station for miles and then you have the same issues as with airlines, so there's no real time savings there.

For the person that can fly private, you can arrive at a smaller airport nearer your destination than any central (read only) train station and there is no hassle getting out of the airport.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If the WOKE revolution takes away private car ownership as is the plan they will need to build something.
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Again, only the peasants will have to deal with that. The elites will still have their private jets, and whatever else they want to get around. They won't be discomforted in the least...
 
serendipity said:
I'm talking about airports what are you talking about. Rail terminals tend to be in the centre of big cities.
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You could have been more clear. I was talking about how the only way to get HSR through cities without losing a lot of time is to tunnel under them. You cant have a lot of curves and this is impossible to do with the cities so far built.
 
serendipity said:
I'm talking about airports what are you talking about. Rail terminals tend to be in the centre of big cities.
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Not in the US they don't. That's because most passenger service ended decades ago and what's left of it with Amtrak has to use terminals that are common to freight rail service. For example, here in Phoenix, the 5th largest city in the US, the Amtrak passenger service terminal is in Maricopa, about 60 miles from downtown Phoenix. Maricopa isn't even a suburb of Phoenix. It's a smaller town out in the middle of nowhere because that's were BNSF has their freight line going to LA.
 
The Chinese certainly had the right idea going for HSR hard early....as the cities build out this gets exponentially harder and more expensive to add in.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
As America collapses we cant have nice things. I am noticing too a lot of chatter about how America has some of the worst airports in the world.
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Collapses? That suggests we built a modern infrastructure. We have not. That money belongs to the top 1 percent.
 
Nordberg said:
Collapses? That suggests we built a modern infrastructure. We have not. That money belongs to the top 1 percent.
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You might have heard me mention that Americans are now in the main ignorant cowards, and that our enslavement represents justice.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You could have been more clear. I was talking about how the only way to get HSR through cities without losing a lot of time is to tunnel under them. You cant have a lot of curves and this is impossible to do with the cities so far built.
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In Japan, China, Thailand and many other Asian cities the trains go overhead.

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Hawkeye10 said:
The Chinese certainly had the right idea going for HSR hard early....as the cities build out this gets exponentially harder and more expensive to add in.
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And losing their asses doing it...

CR's total debt amounted to 5.57 trillion yuan ($849 billion) at the end of September 2020, taking its debt-to-asset ratio to 65.8%.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/China-looks-to-slow-growth-of-struggling-high-speed-rail

The Problem With China’s High-Speed Rail
https://www.fastcompany.com/1749952/problem-chinas-high-speed-rail

A Whopping $900B Debt – China’s Once-Profitable High-Speed Railways Now Heading Towards A Trillion Dollar Disaster
https://eurasiantimes.com/a-whopping-900b-debt-chinas-once-profitable-high-speed-railways/

It's even worse in the US where companies and the government can't cut corners, do squirrely stuff with finance, and risk safety disasters... California is building HSR and their system is a tiny fraction of what China has built, yet it's running into the hundreds of billions and it isn't even close to completion...

California’s high-speed rail cost rises to $105B, more than double original price
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/california-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-to-105-billion/618877/

Train to nowhere: can California’s high-speed rail project ever get back on track?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/29/california-high-speed-rail-bullet-train
 
serendipity said:
My son lives in Tokyo and I'm going to see him soon. Talking about trains I was in the brand new Bang Sue rail terminal this morning, 26 platforms and 38 tracks, not bad for a "third world shithole". The high speed train service to Kunming will start there. The place was spotless and the staff incredibly helpful.
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Bangkok has gone from a nightmare to get around to a delight, all in the space of two decades.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And losing their asses doing it...

CR's total debt amounted to 5.57 trillion yuan ($849 billion) at the end of September 2020, taking its debt-to-asset ratio to 65.8%.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/China-looks-to-slow-growth-of-struggling-high-speed-rail

The Problem With China’s High-Speed Rail
https://www.fastcompany.com/1749952/problem-chinas-high-speed-rail

A Whopping $900B Debt – China’s Once-Profitable High-Speed Railways Now Heading Towards A Trillion Dollar Disaster
https://eurasiantimes.com/a-whopping-900b-debt-chinas-once-profitable-high-speed-railways/

It's even worse in the US where companies and the government can't cut corners, do squirrely stuff with finance, and risk safety disasters... California is building HSR and their system is a tiny fraction of what China has built, yet it's running into the hundreds of billions and it isn't even close to completion...

California’s high-speed rail cost rises to $105B, more than double original price
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/california-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-to-105-billion/618877/

Train to nowhere: can California’s high-speed rail project ever get back on track?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/29/california-high-speed-rail-bullet-train
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T. A. Gardner said:
Not in the US they don't. That's because most passenger service ended decades ago and what's left of it with Amtrak has to use terminals that are common to freight rail service. For example, here in Phoenix, the 5th largest city in the US, the Amtrak passenger service terminal is in Maricopa, about 60 miles from downtown Phoenix. Maricopa isn't even a suburb of Phoenix. It's a smaller town out in the middle of nowhere because that's were BNSF has their freight line going to LA.
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Have they moved Grand Central NY, Chicago Union and LA Union stations?
 
serendipity said:
Have they moved Grand Central NY, Chicago Union and LA Union stations?
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No, but that doesn't explain how you'll put stations in cities where one no longer exists anywhere close to a central location. Again, taking Phoenix (5th largest city in the US now), Sky Harbor airport is only about 15 minutes from downtown, if that, not that downtown is much of a destination...

If you were a corporate muckity muck of some sort, you are more likely to fly in to one of the smaller regional airports instead, like Falcon Field (Mesa), Deer Valley (North Phoenix), etc. Here, many of the corporate HQ's are located near these smaller airports rather than in a downtown.
 
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