Garland's refusal to indict Trump may be worse than Trump's crime.

BidenPresident said:
Gerald Ford settled the issue for Jaworski, with his pardon of Richard Nixon. We have been living with the consequences of that decision ever since — and it has taken shape as an instinctual move to shy from holding presidents to account. It has also made our democracy look weaker than that of other peer countries.

The United States appears uncomfortable with applying the most basic of legal principles: No man is above the law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/opinion/ford-nixon-trump.html
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T. A. Gardner said:
The Senate did an actual bipartisan investigation into Jan 6. It was published, I linked it. Unlike the House, their report wasn't intended to get anyone in particular, nor was it intended to sway public opinion by putting the whole thing on primetime TV. The House ran an absurd show trial that was two parts Stalin, one part Kafka.
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Republicans in the Senate refused to hold hearings, so the House chose to. Just because you don't want to admit that trump is a terrorist, doesn't change the facts of the case.
 
Althea said:
Wrong. Biden might just have letters from foreign dignitaries addressed to him. It's possible that 10 years ago there was a name in the letter that was considered to be classified. We know some of the documents that trump stole are highly sensitive. That's why he got $2billion for them.

We have yet to see what Biden/Pence have.
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If they were classified that counts. The content isn't what's important, the classification is. It's clear that the Biden documents were classified, that isn't in question.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Why did I need to watch that farce of a dog and pony show to know or understand what happened on Jan 6? You do know that there were better and more conclusive investigations into that riot done prior to that Stalinist show trail taking place?

As for climate change. The climate changes. The question is for what reasons. I for one don't buy the anthropogenic CO2 story for a nanosecond. One example of why is that the same reputable sources for that conclusion say that jet contrails contribute as much as 10% of anthropogenic warming on their own. What else have the True Believers gotten wrong?
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Who is Gardner? Did she mean Garland?

Garland was handed all of the information from the House hearings. You were not, and you only watch Right Wing media...so you can't possibly know what is in the report
 
Althea said:
Republicans in the Senate refused to hold hearings, so the House chose to. Just because you don't want to admit that trump is a terrorist, doesn't change the facts of the case.
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The House refused to seat Republicans their party chose, instead choosing to seat two Republicans chosen by Democrats in complete contravention to House rules. The committee then proceeded to present only evidence they found supported their case, while allowing no opposing evidence, no rebuttal, and no cross examination. They then put the whole thing on television. Two parts Stalin, one part Kafka.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The House refused to seat Republicans their party chose, instead choosing to seat two Republicans chosen by Democrats in complete contravention to House rules. The committee then proceeded to present only evidence they found supported their case, while allowing no opposing evidence, no rebuttal, and no cross examination. They then put the whole thing on television. Two parts Stalin, one part Kafka.
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duhhhh kafka duhhhh
 
Althea said:
Very few are going to subscribe to NYT to read your citation.

Nevertheless, Ford pre emptively pardoned Nixon before charges were brought, so the point is moot.

Did Garland come out and state that he's not going to bring charges against trump? Doing so on the Fed. level opens the door for a trump pardon in the future. This is progressing in the fashion that it should. Civil trials yield evidence that can be used later for a state level, 'pardon proof' criminal case.
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BidenPresident said:
I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT.
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Althea said:
LOL. Hysterics aside, why would you cite the Times without even c/p the bulk of the text that makes your point?

Second...why do you comment about not charging Nixon, when he was pre emptively pardoned?

Are you lazy, or stupid?
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Okay, here's the NYT opinion piece link so it can be read by everyone:

https://archive.is/HHqLj

Now, the next time you run into THAT, try this:

Go here:

https://archive.ph/

Copy the address of the article you want to see and paste it into the bottom black box.

Usually whatever you're trying to see will be pasted into the black box. If not, use the red box and wait a little bit and it will record it. Then it should appear in the black box.

Damocles knows a way to do this with noscript, and I tried it with umm..AdBlock Plus, and it worked once, and I screwed up really bad once, to where everything had to be reset.

So I just do it this way. :o

BidenPresident, you could do it in your OPs so everyone could read it.
 
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Althea said:
Who is Gardner? Did she mean Garland?

Garland was handed all of the information from the House hearings. You were not, and you only watch Right Wing media...so you can't possibly know what is in the report
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Actually, I try to watch and read as much of Leftist Progressive media as I can stomach. Why? Because if I know what the enemy is thinking and doing, I'm far better informed to crush them on the battlefield.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's far more objective than the House dog and pony show was. Or, have you not noticed that the whole Jan 6 screaming and yelling about Trump and traitors has just disappeared from the news cycle since the election?
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It's nothing more than a review of the security failures. They accept as fact what the House investigated, and are only interested in knowing how to prevent the next trump from committing a terrorist attack on the nation.

But you clearly want it to prove more than it actually does.

EXAMINING THE U.S. CAPITOL ATTACK: A REVIEW OF THE SECURITY,PLANNING, AND RESPONSE FAILURES ON JANUARY 6



I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARYOn January 6, 2021, the world witnessed a violent and unprecedented attack on the U.S.Capitol, the Vice President, Members of Congress, and the democratic process. Rioters,attempting to disrupt the Joint Session of Congress, broke into the Capitol building, vandalizedand stole property, and ransacked offices. They attacked members of law enforcement andthreatened the safety and lives of our nation’s elected leaders. Tragically, seven individuals,including three law enforcement officers, ultimately lost their lives.
 
Althea said:
It's nothing more than a review of the security failures. They accept as fact what the House investigated, and are only interested in knowing how to prevent the next trump from committing a terrorist attack on the nation.

But you clearly want it to prove more than it actually does.

EXAMINING THE U.S. CAPITOL ATTACK: A REVIEW OF THE SECURITY,PLANNING, AND RESPONSE FAILURES ON JANUARY 6



I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARYOn January 6, 2021, the world witnessed a violent and unprecedented attack on the U.S.Capitol, the Vice President, Members of Congress, and the democratic process. Rioters,attempting to disrupt the Joint Session of Congress, broke into the Capitol building, vandalizedand stole property, and ransacked offices. They attacked members of law enforcement andthreatened the safety and lives of our nation’s elected leaders. Tragically, seven individuals,including three law enforcement officers, ultimately lost their lives.
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Forum rules require citation of quoted material.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, I try to watch and read as much of Leftist Progressive media as I can stomach. Why? Because if I know what the enemy is thinking and doing, I'm far better informed to crush them on the battlefield.
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And still, you link us to a Senate study of security failures and try to claim that it negates the facts presented by the House.

If that's what you consider 'crushing', I'm amused.
 
BidenPresident said:
Gerald Ford settled the issue for Jaworski, with his pardon of Richard Nixon. We have been living with the consequences of that decision ever since — and it has taken shape as an instinctual move to shy from holding presidents to account. It has also made our democracy look weaker than that of other peer countries.

The United States appears uncomfortable with applying the most basic of legal principles: No man is above the law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/opinion/ford-nixon-trump.html
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Part of the problem is that prosecutors hate to take on cases they feel they can’t win.

In Trump’s case, the States will be taking him on and, probably, down. Although I doubt Trump will ever spend a night in prison, I believe the price for his crimes will be the loss of TrumpCo. He’ll be reduced to his residence at Mar-a-Lago and everything outside his doors will be owned by others.
 
Althea said:
It's nothing more than a review of the security failures. They accept as fact what the House investigated, and are only interested in knowing how to prevent the next trump from committing a terrorist attack on the nation.

But you clearly want it to prove more than it actually does.

EXAMINING THE U.S. CAPITOL ATTACK: A REVIEW OF THE SECURITY,PLANNING, AND RESPONSE FAILURES ON JANUARY 6



I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARYOn January 6, 2021, the world witnessed a violent and unprecedented attack on the U.S.Capitol, the Vice President, Members of Congress, and the democratic process. Rioters,attempting to disrupt the Joint Session of Congress, broke into the Capitol building, vandalizedand stole property, and ransacked offices. They attacked members of law enforcement andthreatened the safety and lives of our nation’s elected leaders. Tragically, seven individuals,including three law enforcement officers, ultimately lost their lives.
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Yes, it was a violent riot. So?
 
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