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Who's ideology is closer to the Founders: yours (liberal) or mine (conservative)?

exactly who were the 'founders'? Be careful.
Tell me about the world in 1776 and in the years that immediately preceded.
Tell me about the similarities between your world and theirs. How would THEY have defined the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative'?
If you feel tempted to give a smart arse response please dont bother.
 
The Confederate flag represents treating the issue of slavery as an "after-thought", with all evil revisionist implications that mindset has to offer.

No, that is YOUR perception of what it represents to YOU! I proudly display the flag my ancestors fought and died in battle under, and they didn't own slaves or know anyone who did, they were fighting for their homes and country. The issue of slavery wasn't made a part of the Civil War until Abe Lincoln realized he was about to lose the war, and in a fit of desperation, attached the issue to the war in order to galvanize waning support. After the war, the history books were written by the victors, and give a somewhat slanted perspective of what the issues were.

While it is true, the Confederate flag has been hijacked by racial supremacy groups to represent hate, this was never the intention of the flag or the Confederate States of America, and came years after the flag was used to represent the army of the South. They didn't ask my permission to use the flag in that way, they didn't ask any son of the confederacy, they just hijacked it. Nevertheless, I have two relatives buried in Confederate cemeteries, who didn't perceive that flag as a symbol of racism, and that is who I honor by using it.
 
exactly who were the 'founders'? Be careful.
Tell me about the world in 1776 and in the years that immediately preceded.
Tell me about the similarities between your world and theirs. How would THEY have defined the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative'?
If you feel tempted to give a smart arse response please dont bother.

The Founders signed the Founding documents.

Don't play smart ass with me, just answer the question: Who's ideology is closer to the Founders: yours (liberal) or mine (conservative)?
 
The Founders signed the Founding documents.

Don't play smart ass with me, just answer the question: Who's ideology is closer to the Founders: yours (liberal) or mine (conservative)?

I will give you an answer when I return home this evening. (I said be careful)
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
...I never stated, alluded to, implied, asserted or declared anything remotely similar to what you accuse me of here (and I defy you to produce the quote/post where I do)....

As requested:

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
...YOU have made it a point to bullhorn your white southern man status...not me. So the "race card" has been on your feeble little mind from the jump.
....You are...a coward who is trying to sugar coat his bigotry while trying to stuff his sheet back under his pants. ....

Okay folks, let me show you how this liar and coward Southie tries to edit past exchanges to suit his BS. Here's how things transpired:


Originally Posted by Southern Man
The latest truth here, Libby, is that you accused me of waving and/or defending a Confederate flag. The "chronology of the posts" shows otherwise. The fact is that you have no debate skills, just the race card which you play incessantly. I guess all us white Southerners look alike.



Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What "truth" , you dimbulb? All you've done is throw out some lame insults and dodgy bullshit. I defy you to point out the post on this thread where YOUR version of the truth logically and factually disproves any of my statements or assertions.

If you can't and just wussy out, then it proves you're just blowing smoke as usual. So which is it, chuckles?

Originally Posted by Southern Man
OIC so all white Southerners are racists? Or just the ones who beat your ass into the ground with debates?

I wouldn't know you were a white southner unless you told me, dimbulb. YOU have made it a point to bullhorn your white southern man status...not me. So the "race card" has been on your feeble little mind from the jump.

And you stated that Dixie's Confederate flag BS was "freedom of speech". I responded that freedom of speech also means being held accountable for the content of that speech. The Confederate flag represents treating the issue of slavery as an "after-thought", with all evil revisionist implications that mindset has to offer. You are right up there with that bullshit...a coward who is trying to sugar coat his bigotry while trying to stuff his sheet back under his pants. Your little mind farts about blacks and asians being generally homophobic speaks volumes of where your head is at (when not up Karl Rove's ass).

Blow all the smoke you want Southie...you just dig yourself deeper with each post.


So as you can see folks, no blanket generalization from me...I'm VERY specific about who I call a what and why. Southie is incredibly stupid to believe that he can ignore recorded posts in favor of his biased editing. As I said before, he's a liar and a coward along with his other miserable traits.
 
Okay folks, this dumbass keeps swearing that I'm not worth responding to, as I'm all types of reprehensible characters, so he put me on IA. Yet, here he is again...to give yet another lame ass and convoluted "explanation" as to how slavery was a separate issue from the Confederacy. This is to counter my statement that the advocates of the Confederacy are apologists for a system that indeed treated slavery as no big deal. Let's watch this self contradicting fool babble:


Taichiliberal wrote: The Confederate flag represents treating the issue of slavery as an "after-thought", with all evil revisionist implications that mindset has to offer.


No, that is YOUR perception of what it represents to YOU! I proudly display the flag my ancestors fought and died in battle under, and they didn't own slaves or know anyone who did, they were fighting for their homes and country. Right....so his ancestors were totally ignorant of slavery in the rest of the States that depended upon slavery to maintain their economy. Funny that, being that slavery was at least 2 centuries old by the time the Civil War came about. And when the war came, they were told it's all just the North trying to control you...and they bought into it. Hmm, seems willful ignorance is a strong family trait for Dixie. The issue of slavery wasn't made a part of the Civil War until Abe Lincoln realized he was about to lose the war, and in a fit of desperation, attached the issue to the war in order to galvanize waning support. After the war, the history books were written by the victors, and give a somewhat slanted perspective of what the issues were. Right here you get a dose of Dixie's revisionism. To be more accurate, the Republican Party in 1860 (Lincoln's Party) ran on an anti-slavery platform. Once in, the Southern states started seceding, and Lincoln swore he wouldn't try to end slavery to keep the Union. When the war started, Lincoln kept up the premise that it was about preserving the Union, not ending slavery. Yet by 1861, slaves were considered "contraband" because slavery was still up and running, and therefore were freed when Confederate territory was taken by the Union. But since you had all these freed people running from the Confederate states into union territory as freed people not exactly clamoring to fight for a President that didn't advocate for their freedom or the original format of the political party that put him in office....something had to be done. Especially since resources were being used to secure these freed folk in camps and such. Thus the Emancipation Proclamation, and the induction of black soldiers by 1863. The rest is history.

While it is true, the Confederate flag has been hijacked by racial supremacy groups to represent hate, this was never the intention of the flag or the Confederate States of America, and came years after the flag was used to represent the army of the South. Right, because the BS was that slavery wasn't a key issue....the "right" of states to conduct business as they saw fit was the issue...slaves were NOT considered people, but property. No matter how you slice it here folks, slavery was the cornerstone of the Southern states economy. They considered it a mere side issue....which doesn't do the slaves whole hell of a lot of good, now does it? They didn't ask my permission to use the flag in that way, they didn't ask any son of the confederacy, they just hijacked it. Oh blow it out your ass, they just emphasize a reality that jokers like you try to BS away....slaves were once property, the Confederacy was about control of property and how to use resources...they considers slave a property resource. Now over 150 years later, you have a bunch of pissed off people railing against the uppity freed slaves' ancestors. "Sons of the Confederacy"? A bunch of clowns who's ancestors didn't mind the KKK when it served their purposes....and who don't have the cojones to acknowledge the reality of who and what the Civil War was about...and how disgusting their attitude was about human beings of African decent. Nevertheless, I have two relatives buried in Confederate cemeteries, who didn't perceive that flag as a symbol of racism, and that is who I honor by using it.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that delusion revamp of history. Jim Crow didn't end until a century after the Civil War was over, so you'll understand if I don't give a fuck about your Confederate ancestors because my southern grandparents and parents told me some lived through horror stories in more recent times that overrides your romantic visions. My previous statements stand.
 
Who's ideology is closer to the Founders: yours (liberal) or mine (conservative)?

Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights....then tell me how the Patriot Act or the machinations of the religious right maintains those ideals. Remember, they formulated these DURING TIMES OF WAR.....with the enemy in full force at their doorsteps.
 
Okay folks, let me show you how this liar and coward Southie tries to edit past exchanges to suit his BS. Here's how things transpired:













So as you can see folks, no blanket generalization from me...I'm VERY specific about who I call a what and why. Southie is incredibly stupid to believe that he can ignore recorded posts in favor of his biased editing. As I said before, he's a liar and a coward along with his other miserable traits.

Great, but are you going to prove your accusation or not?
 
Great, but are you going to prove your accusation or not?

If you had bothered to read the entire post with an honest, objective mind, you would noticed that I responded accordingly.

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"bigotry"

Prove it, Libby.

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Proud to be a liberal, like the Founding Fathers. Pity a willfully ignorant neocon parrot like yourself has only the PNAC folk to look up to.
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
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Proud to be a liberal, like the Founding Fathers. Pity a willfully ignorant neocon parrot like yourself has only the PNAC folk to look up to.

Repeating the same shit doesn't make it true, Libby. That seems to be your forte, bunky. You don't dare try to debate the content of the post I refer to, because you can't logically or factually refute what I said. Bottom line: Dixie is nothing but a bigoted little apologist for the Confederacy and what it truly represented in reality....and you are right up there with him when you parrot that bullshit about it's only freedom of expression. Like I schooled you before....you may have freedom of speech, just have the guts to accept the consequences of that speech. His opening post about conservatism smacks of the same BS found in the speeches of wingnut evangelists and racial supremacists....I and others point this out using facts and logic....TFB if you don't like it.

Do you think the Founders would approve of the Democrats health care plan?

Yep, because they sure as hell were not about monopolies that short changed their customers while using lobbiest to buy gov't rulings in their favor. But as usual, this is NOT part of the topic started in the original posts.
 
Yep, because they sure as hell were not about monopolies that short changed their customers while using lobbiest to buy gov't rulings in their favor. But as usual, this is NOT part of the topic started in the original posts.
So you believe that the Founders would have approved the Democrat's health care plan. Why did they then not enumerate it into the Constitution?
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Yep, because they sure as hell were not about monopolies that short changed their customers while using lobbiest to buy gov't rulings in their favor. But as usual, this is NOT part of the topic started in the original posts.

So you believe that the Founders would have approved the Democrat's health care plan. A plan that prevents monopolies that short change the citizens for the services they pay for? You bet'cha they would. They would approve of the Congressional process that is now taking place...as they would have for every other decision that lead to the Amendments and various changes in our laws over the years. "Welfare of the people"....tantamount in the good gov't. Why did they then not enumerate it into the Constitution?

Hence the Bill of Rights, hence Congress & Senate approval, hence Supreme Court decisions. As society progresses the Constitution has to be applied accordingly, along with all branches of gov't and law.

How many times are you going to pull this lame dodge? Every time you can't defend your beliefs or statements, you dart down an alley of off topic questions...hoping to acheive some type of "got'cha" moment that you then haphazardly apply to the original point of contention.

That dog just won't fly, Southie. I and others called DIXIE on his amazingly wignut and fundamentalist driven diatribe, and you can't logically or factually defend him.
 
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Because even if they claim to be socially liberal, pro-marijuana, or whatever, when it comes to stepping into the voting booth and voting their priorities they’re always going to vote to keep taxes low on the rich, and to keep the war machine well funded and well oiled. Being pro-Gay marriage is just a catch phrase to ingratiate themselves with liberals. But, it will never be a top priority when stepping into the voting booth and voting their values.

lol this is so me, cept war machine.
 
I am socially conservative, but non-religious.

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No, I never used the word "fake" and didn't indicate he was anything, I don't know what he truly is, and that is something he and God can work out. I made an observation, based on what I know as a Christian myself.

Unlike you, as a Christian, I feel compelled to follow the teachings of Christ.


"typical of your type of Christian who don't feel the need to DO anything..."

This statement is not a scoff, it is a direct judgement of my Christian faith.

I would try to stop someone from setting your building on fire, just as I would try to stop someone from setting the building full of living human embryos on fire, that is my duty as a Christian.

It's as far as I can possibly go, as a Christian, to allow the intentional and malicious taking of innocent life, and I struggle with that.

From my perspective, and maybe this is a poor analogy, but you could liken it to a person going to a buffet and filling their plate with food, then not eating it, as opposed to a person going to a restaurant and being served a heaping plate of food they didn't order. In one instance, it is justified that the person can waste the food, in the other, it's not. I have no idea of how God would judge someone who had an abortion after rape, that is not my place. I do know how God views the malicious taking of innocent life, he is very clear on that one. I also know it's my duty as a Christian, to speak out against it, and denounce it a sin against God, which indeed, it is.

As a Christian, I am willing to let them rectify this with God, it's not my place to do that. I would not personally condone it, I believe God has a reason for everything, including the pregnancy of a rape victim, but I can't infer my personal beliefs on others, that is between them and God. When it comes to abortion-on-demand, as a form of birth control, it then becomes an issue which involves my responsibility as a Christian, to speak out against and condemn, and I do.

It's not my right to infer my personal religious beliefs on others, but it IS my right, and duty as a Christian, to condemn the malicious and intentional taking of innocent human life, particularly when that life was produced by free will and as the direct consequence of choice.

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Hence the Bill of Rights, hence Congress & Senate approval, hence Supreme Court decisions. As society progresses the Constitution has to be applied accordingly, along with all branches of gov't and law.

How many times are you going to pull this lame dodge? Every time you can't defend your beliefs or statements, you dart down an alley of off topic questions...hoping to acheive some type of "got'cha" moment that you then haphazardly apply to the original point of contention.

That dog just won't fly, Southie. I and others called Southie on his amazingly wignut and fundamentalist driven diatribe, and you can't logically or factually defend him.

Talk about dodge, Libby. You again failed to answer my simple question. Let me put it to you a different way that may be easier for you to answer. How is the Democrat's health care plan justified in the Constitution?
 
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