“Three weeks and 39 mass shootings. This is America in 2023”

[Dutch Uncle]

What is the link between OCD and disagreement?

She'll post 5-7 posts in a row on the same subject. If you have a strong disagreement with her, sit back and watch.

It was also mentioned that she could be autistic. Although my nephew is a high functioning autistic, I don't know enough about autism to know, although a little OCD could easily be part of it.

Regardless, she's clearly very passionate about certain topics.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Well, you want to see exactly how you are tethered to dissonance?

You say you need a gun to keep yourself safe and offer protection, but bringing a gun into your home instantly creates odds that you will use your gun against someone or yourself, and that a criminal can break into your house and steal your gun, to be used in other crimes.

So the dissonance is you thinking the gun makes you safe, when the reality is that it makes you LESS SAFE.

What's wrong with self-defense or suicide?

A criminal can steal your car, rob a bank and then run down a bunch of kindergarteners crossing the street either on purpose or during the getaway. Why not ban cars?

 

[LV426]

What's wrong with self-defense or suicide?

You are far more likely to shoot yourself or someone else by accident, than you are ever likely to shoot a criminal attacking you.

 

[LV426]

A criminal can steal your car, rob a bank and then run down a bunch of kindergarteners crossing the street either on purpose or during the getaway.

Has that ever happened? No.

But have criminals ever stolen a gun from someone like you and then used it in a crime? Why yes, every fucking day.

So once again, your dissonance is causing you to veer into hypothetical land and stray away from reality.

A gun adds odds that you will shoot yourself or someone else by accident with a gun where those odds previously didn't exist.

Oh, and also, if you own a gun, then you are the primary source of guns for criminals...because they steal them from you. About 300,000 every year.

 

[volsrock]

You are far more likely to shoot yourself or someone else by accident, than you are ever likely to shoot a criminal attacking you.

your odds are greater of being killed by falling than it is in a gun attack


and the odds of dying by choking on food and drowning or a bicyclist is MUCH HIGHER than accidental gun discharge



So dont eat or swim...IDIOT

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Has that ever happened? No.

But have criminals ever stolen a gun from someone like you and then used it in a crime? Why yes, every fucking day.

So once again, your dissonance is causing you to veer into hypothetical land and stray away from reality.

A gun adds odds that you will shoot yourself or someone else by accident with a gun where those odds previously didn't exist.

Oh, and also, if you own a gun, then you are the primary source of guns for criminals...because they steal them from you. About 300,000 every year.

Has anyone over been shot or had a gun stolen in my home? No.

I'm guessing only in shitty neighborhoods or other lawless areas. Maybe if more homeowners shot robbers, there'd be less robberies. Ever thought of that?

What, exactly, is the dissonance? That I understand the problem but disagree with your Constitution-shredding solutions? Why do all Democrats prioritize banning guns over identifying (and treating) mental illness in gun owners, drivers, voters, business owners, etc?

You're repeating yourself. Is that the liquor or the lack of meds?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You are far more likely to shoot yourself or someone else by accident, than you are ever likely to shoot a criminal attacking you.

I'm twice as likely to be killed by a distracted driver trying to Google directions to the nearest liquor store than shot. Most likely a heart attack or cancer...in my early 80s.

 

[LV426]

your odds are greater of being killed by falling than it is in a gun attack

"Killed by falling"? What are you talking about?

and the odds of dying by choking on food and drowning or a bicyclist is MUCH HIGHER than accidental gun discharge

Well, the odds of me dying by choking on food, drowning, or "a bicyclist" while I'm shopping at a supermarket are much more remote than someone shooting me in that same supermarket.

The odds of my dying by "a bicyclist" are zero if I'm in a movie theater.

 

[LV426]

Has anyone over been shot or had a gun stolen in my home? No.

YET.

It hasn't happened YET.

And you can't make the guarantee that it will never happen.

Welcome to the Law of Total Probability, which is something you should have learned back in high school.

 

[LV426]

I'm guessing only in shitty neighborhoods or other lawless areas. Maybe if more homeowners shot robbers, there'd be less robberies. Ever thought of that?

OK, so what happens when a "robber" breaks into your house, but you aren't in the same room as your gun?

What happens if you're asleep, have had a few beers that evening, and a "robber" breaks in while you are passed out?

 

[LV426]

What, exactly, is the dissonance?

I've pointed it out twice, but I'll happily point it out again.

The dissonance is you thinking your gun keeps you safe from criminals and "robbers" when the reality is that by introducing a gun to your home or car, you instantly create odds that your gun will be stolen from your home or car. So you buy this thing that supposedly protects you, but all it does is add more risk. If you don't have a gun, then the odds of that gun being stolen by a criminal are zero.

So the dissonance, put even more simply, is that you buy a gun to protect your home and car from criminals armed with guns they stole from homes and cars.

 

[Yakuda]

“ Three weeks and 39 mass shootings. This is America in 2023”

“There are about 393 million privately owned firearms in the US. That’s 120 guns for every 100 Americans. 45% of US adults say they live in a household with a gun, according to an October 2022 Gallup survey.“

“Firearm injuries are now the leading cause of death among people younger than 24 in the United States. From 2015 through 2020, there were at least 2,070 unintentional shootings by children under 18 in the US. Those shootings resulted in 765 deaths and 1,366 injuries.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/23/politics/mass-shootings-in-2023-what-matters/index.html

“Tragedy upon tragedy’: why 39 US mass shootings already this year is just the start”

“There are more guns in the US than people, according to a 2018 Small Arms Survey report, which found the country had the highest rate of firearm ownership in the world, and more than double the next country on the list, Yemen.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...shootings-already-this-year-is-just-the-start

“2023 Off To Historically Fast Start For Mass Shootings”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichol...o-historically-fast-start-for-mass-shootings/

”More mass shootings than days of the year: The grim reality of gun violence in the US“.
https://www.firstpost.com/explainer...ifornia-death-toll-gun-violence-12034902.html

And the right keep telling us the solution is even guns are necessary

How many people have been killed in Chicago alone since jan 1 2023?

 

[LV426]

That I understand the problem but disagree with your Constitution-shredding solutions?

You don't understand the problem because you won't reconcile the risk you create by throwing a gun into the mix.

 

[LV426]

hy do all Democrats prioritize banning guns over identifying (and treating) mental illness in gun owners, drivers, voters, business owners, etc?

You are the one who opposes M4A which would extend mental health coverage to every single American.

So again, your dissonance creeps up...you scream about mental illness but oppose any practical solutions and haven't given any thought to any solutions of your own.

So like a true Centrist, you're farting in your hand and then smelling the fart and going "yum yum yum".

 

[LV426]

I'm twice as likely to be killed by a distracted driver trying to Google directions to the nearest liquor store than shot.

Right, but how likely are you to be killed IN THAT LIQUOR STORE by a distracted driver vs. how likely are you to be killed IN THAT LIQUOR STORE by a gun owner?

Obviously the odds of being killed on the roads are high when you're on the roads...but when you're not on the roads, the odds of you being killed on the roads are zero.

Whereas the odds of being killed by a gun are never zero.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

YET.

It hasn't happened YET.

And you can't make the guarantee that it will never happen.

Welcome to the Law of Total Probability, which is something you should have learned back in high school.

Your mom's car hasn't been stolen and used to murder school kids YET

By your logic, her driver's license should be taken away and cars banned.

Right, but how likely are you to be killed IN THAT LIQUOR STORE by a distracted driver vs. how likely are you to be killed IN THAT LIQUOR STORE by a gun owner?

What does the actuary chart say, LV? See? This is why I think you are "off" even though very passionate. You can't read numbers...or are unable to accept them. I'm not sure which.

 

[LV426]

How many people have been killed in Chicago alone since jan 1 2023?

I'm so glad you're talking about gun violence in Chicago because it provides me with the perfect opportunity to talk about the Iron Pipeline, and how guns are trafficked by criminals across state borders and then sold via straw purchasing in areas that have gun restrictions.

The city of Chicago has different gun laws than the municipalities that surround it, and guns laws are only going to be as effective as the weakest ones because of this nifty thing called interstate travel.

If you truly cared about crime in Chicago -which you don't- then you would demand that all the municipalities and states that surround it strengthen their gun laws to that of Chicago.

 

[LV426]

Your mom's car hasn't been stolen and used to murder school kids YET

Once again, you veer into hypothetical land because you don't want to reconcile the poor judgment that goes into gun ownership.

This is just a sophist distraction, something ITN would do when they are backed against the wall like you are.

That's why you spout sophist shit like this; you are petrified of reconciling your poor judgment with "the odds" of being killed by a gun.

 

[LV426]

By your logic, her driver's license should be taken away and cars banned.

How likely is it that car will kill someone while they're shopping for groceries?

 

[Yakuda]

I'm so glad you're talking about gun violence in Chicago because it provides me with the perfect opportunity to talk about the Iron Pipeline, and how guns are trafficked by criminals across state borders and then sold via straw purchasing in areas that have gun restrictions.

The city of Chicago has different gun laws than the municipalities that surround it, and guns laws are only going to be as effective as the weakest ones because of this nifty thing called interstate travel.

If you truly cared about crime in Chicago -which you don't- then you would demand that all the municipalities and states that surround it strengthen their gun laws to that of Chicago.

The Chicago Tribune reports 26 people.