Ah, little help for you “pp,” urban areas are where the majority of people live, ain’t a whole lot gun violence happening in the vacant fields of Wyoming
“Three weeks and 39 mass shootings. This is America in 2023”
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Ah, little help for you “pp,” urban areas are where the majority of people live, ain’t a whole lot gun violence happening in the vacant fields of Wyoming
Hey, don't look at me...I support legislation that prevents cars from exceeding 75 MPH, which automakers can do they're just choosing not to.
Ok, then you can't use mental illness as the excuse for mass shootings.
Do you...do you not know how therapy works?
No one is doing that...you seem to be mixing up SSDI with mental health care.
What if the victims shot bystanders? Because that happens, you know...
THANK YOU.
Again, you don’t know that, you seem to have this image that when one buys a gun it automatically turns them into Chuck Norris, ain’t true
In the sources I provided, 48% of Americans own a gun
And the people they call are those that are trained and usually experienced with firearms, not some John Wayne wannabe who fires ona range and kills rabbits, and one who is more likely to get more people killed
SmarterthanYou
rebel
what if the cops shot bystanders? because that happens, you know....
we do not live in a perfect world. we never will. there is no utopia to be found. all we can do is our best. mistakes and accidents will happen, but it's better to defend your life and live with a mistake than to allow yourself to be a corpse
SmarterthanYou
rebel
I do not adhere to such illusions. I'm a huge advocate of training. always have been. I just think that the government is a shit show for training.
owning a gun and CARRYING that gun are two entirely separate entities that cannot be used to promote that narrative with any truth to it.
you are aware that there are all kinds of tactical training courses out there for civilians as well, right? Or does wearing an official symbol of the government make one a more superior person with a gun?
Well if there are more guns in America than people, and close to half of all Americans own one, this everyone has to be armed logic sure as hell ain’t working since the homicide rate, gun violence rates, and mass shootings are only increasing
Guess which one of us doesn't think cops should be armed?
(It's me, I don't think cops should be armed)
But they don't have to happen, which is the point.
This is all self-inflicted; most gun deaths are self-inflicted.
So why are we doing this to ourselves? You just stated above that guns don't make society any safer...in fact, you created an excuse by saying "mistakes and accidents will happen".
Imagine if we had that same standard for health care and airline travel.
Come on. Get a grip.
As I said, shooting on a range, target shooting, instructions, and using a gun to hunt do not qualify anyone to think they are going to react rationally and purposely in such a sporadic situation, least the cop has some experience with violent situations
Geeko Sportivo
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I've said it for years, we should be handling our guns in the same manner at whikh we handles our automobiles.
Can you only imagine how safe the public would be, if we didn't have a licensing system in place to protect the public?
Or, if we didn't have a FINE system in place to punish the violators who abused the system, and a way to take those licenses away, depending on the severity of the violation?
I'll tell you what I see that we would be facing! Every Street and Highway would be like the Autobahn, and let the Road Games begin. Drunks would be cruising up and down the highway, 12 year olds would be out drag racing their Mommy and Daddies corvettes through our neighborhoods, and we would be squashing school children in the crossroads like rabbits, crossing the road on a Kansas highway after dark. Stop signs, and red lights, and speed limits would be like, WHAT'S THE USE? I can tell you right now, the chances of even getting back home alive after a drive just up to the store, would be 1 like in a thousand. No one would be safe anymore. It would be total anarchy. Automobiles would be used as a weapon, and let the road rage begin!
And can you even imagine what it would be like if we didn't have to register our automobiles with no title or no license plate available, or have them regularly inspected?
First of all, you would never even know if your car was stolen, or even safe to drive. Auto theft would mushroom into a total Black Market, and the resale of your car would be worth only as much as it is going for on the Black Market, and let the Carjackings begin!
Automobiles and guns have two things in common, in that they are both a PUBLIC SAFETY concern, and their must be controls in place to keep us all as safe as possible.
The Good News is, we have a system in place, in every state to handle the licensing of drivers, and a license plate unique to every automobile on the road for identification purposes, that comes with a penalty system for violators and abusers, with a well laid out code of rules to follow laid out in every states drivers handbook that explains the laws, and a written test as well as a driver's test to insure that they are known and understood, before anyone gets behind the wheel. This is handled through the DOT and regulated by every state's Department of Public Safety.
So all that would have to be done, is duplicate this exact system for GUNS that we have for automobiles.
I believe that this would prevent guns getting into the wrong hands just like we do not want automobiles in the wrong hands either.
I believe that owning a gun or a car is a privilege, that requires responsibility, and when one is irresponsible with either, owning, buying, or selling, or using automobiles or guns, that the privilege can be removed from abusers and violators of the system.
I only own 3 guns and 2 automobiles, but I am willing to acquire a license that says I have the proper training to drive my cars, or own or sell my guns, and willing to register my guns just like my automobiles, to insure my automobiles and guns are not stolen or have been used in crimes- or purchased illegally, BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I WANT THE WORLD TO BE A SAFER PLACE FOR US ALL.
And anyone who does not have something to hide or fear, should feel the very same way about this.
Can you only imagine how safe the public would be, if we didn't have a licensing system in place to protect the public?
Or, if we didn't have a FINE system in place to punish the violators who abused the system, and a way to take those licenses away, depending on the severity of the violation?
I'll tell you what I see that we would be facing! Every Street and Highway would be like the Autobahn, and let the Road Games begin. Drunks would be cruising up and down the highway, 12 year olds would be out drag racing their Mommy and Daddies corvettes through our neighborhoods, and we would be squashing school children in the crossroads like rabbits, crossing the road on a Kansas highway after dark. Stop signs, and red lights, and speed limits would be like, WHAT'S THE USE? I can tell you right now, the chances of even getting back home alive after a drive just up to the store, would be 1 like in a thousand. No one would be safe anymore. It would be total anarchy. Automobiles would be used as a weapon, and let the road rage begin!
And can you even imagine what it would be like if we didn't have to register our automobiles with no title or no license plate available, or have them regularly inspected?
First of all, you would never even know if your car was stolen, or even safe to drive. Auto theft would mushroom into a total Black Market, and the resale of your car would be worth only as much as it is going for on the Black Market, and let the Carjackings begin!
Automobiles and guns have two things in common, in that they are both a PUBLIC SAFETY concern, and their must be controls in place to keep us all as safe as possible.
The Good News is, we have a system in place, in every state to handle the licensing of drivers, and a license plate unique to every automobile on the road for identification purposes, that comes with a penalty system for violators and abusers, with a well laid out code of rules to follow laid out in every states drivers handbook that explains the laws, and a written test as well as a driver's test to insure that they are known and understood, before anyone gets behind the wheel. This is handled through the DOT and regulated by every state's Department of Public Safety.
So all that would have to be done, is duplicate this exact system for GUNS that we have for automobiles.
I believe that this would prevent guns getting into the wrong hands just like we do not want automobiles in the wrong hands either.
I believe that owning a gun or a car is a privilege, that requires responsibility, and when one is irresponsible with either, owning, buying, or selling, or using automobiles or guns, that the privilege can be removed from abusers and violators of the system.
I only own 3 guns and 2 automobiles, but I am willing to acquire a license that says I have the proper training to drive my cars, or own or sell my guns, and willing to register my guns just like my automobiles, to insure my automobiles and guns are not stolen or have been used in crimes- or purchased illegally, BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I WANT THE WORLD TO BE A SAFER PLACE FOR US ALL.
And anyone who does not have something to hide or fear, should feel the very same way about this.
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You have yet to establish that a gun IS better for defending your life.
Because statistically speaking, a gun is NOT better for defending your life because your gun could (and probably will) end up in the hands of someone looking to commit a crime.
Most gun deaths are self-inflicted.
Most gun accidents are self-inflicted.
So a gun doesn't make you any safer; in fact, it makes you less safe statistically speaking.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
In almost every other field of subjects debated on here, you show yourself to be more than reasonably intelligent. Why does it fail you in regards to the 2nd Amendment? There are numerous obstacles to someone actually carrying a gun for their protection in a public setting. So the whole 'everyone is armed' can't apply when less than 10% of the actual public responsibly carries a gun in public.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
given that 11% of the time, cops shoot innocent bystanders as compared to only 2% of the time for civilians, I agree with you on the disarming cops part.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
again, we do not live in a perfect world. HUMANS are not infallible. We will ALWAYS make mistakes and have accidents. that is the point.
why are you ignoring the criminal element? wait, you're inferring that everyone is a criminal who just hasn't committed a crime yet. I remember.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
you forgot 'tactical' training/classes..........also, most cops do not have experience with violent situations. most cops experience with firearms is their range qualification. what makes you think cops are going to react rationally and purposely in violent situations?