moon
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Yes, but no declining empire in history has ever had the power to destroy the entire world on its way out.
Thunberg leads thousands as protesters brutalized by German riot police.
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Yes, but no declining empire in history has ever had the power to destroy the entire world on its way out.
Mason Michaels
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No declining empire had enough nukes to put the world back to the stone age!
Although I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the past there was a society just as advanced as now!
moon
Satire for Sanity
That depends upon your definition of ' advanced '.
What, for example, is the most important- seeking new worlds or respecting the one we've got.
Mason Michaels
Verified User
Advanced,cars,planes,mass destruction weapons!
Monad Portal
Was it me?
in english, sand nigger.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Everybody should learn to appreciate originality in language, Mr. Zombie.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
She violated rule 4. Reported.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Says the prosemitic moron that can't define ' nation '
Haw, haw.................................haw.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Greta Thunberg airs grievances against Davos speakers
Reuters reported on Tuesday that Greta Thunberg was detained during a protest against the development of a new mine and the demolition of structures in Lutzerath in the west of Germany
GENEVA, January 19. /TASS/. The audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos is listening to "people contributing most to [the] destruction of the planet," Swedish ecoactivist Greta Thunberg said on Thursday, cited by Agence France Presse.
"We are listening to them and not to the people that have indeed suffered from the climate crisis, the people living at the frontline, and it tells us how absurd the situation is," the activist said.
Reuters reported on Tuesday that Thunberg was detained during a protest against the development of a new mine and the demolition of structures in Lutzerath in the west of Germany. She was later released. Thunberg and other activists are going to attend a roundtable where Executive Director of the International Energy Agency Fatih Birol is scheduled to speak on Thursday, the news agency said.
https://tass.com/society/1564533
Good-looking gal- and a keen mind. Wicked.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Put it this way....ever since the fall of the USSR, NATO has been playing games to give themselves an edge in that region. The Biden administration is no more or less guilty less guilty of the inevitable conclusions we are now seeing.
You are correct though...Russia will no more accept a "NATO" Ukraine than America would accept Russian missiles of any kind in Cuba. It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out, with the civilian population of each country the wild card.
moon
Satire for Sanity
From my viewpoint, bearing in mind that I believe all military leaders to be sick in the head, it won't end well.
Yes, NATO has been encroaching - as is its remit- but it's Biden that's behind the wheel at this point in time, so it's his war. It wasn't necessary. There was nothing lost in allowing Russia secure borders for the sake of stability. No- NATO isn't in it for stability, NATO requires dominance. It's the same mindset as the fascist Neo-Zionists- aggression and expansion is its raison d'etre. The Russians have the moral high ground in that they are defending their homeland . The US is simply playing the power game with the blood of Europeans. That will change, however, if the Russians are pushed to go nuclear- or even if the US believes it can win with a first nuclear strike. Biden sure is dumb enough.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
moon;5462937 [QUOTE said:
]From my viewpoint, bearing in mind that I believe all military leaders to be sick in the head, it won't end well.
Yes, NATO has been encroaching - as is its remit- but it's Biden that's behind the wheel at this point in time, so it's his war. It wasn't necessary. There was nothing lost in allowing Russia secure borders for the sake of stability. No- NATO isn't in it for stability, NATO requires dominance. It's the same mindset as the fascist Neo-Zionists- aggression and expansion is its raison d'etre. The Russians have the moral high ground in that they are defending their homeland . The US is simply playing the power game with the blood of Europeans. That will change, however, if the Russians are pushed to go nuclear- or even if the US believes it can win with a first nuclear strike. Biden sure is dumb enough.[/QUOTE]
the nuke option is pure hype and BS on both sides of the fence. Ukraine has what, nearly a dozen nuke plants. Barely a week coverage of how the war affects them. Putin is already facing backlash from the populace regarding this war of choice. Launching a nuke based on this conflict would be pure insanity...and Putin is NOT stupid. The USA pushes this nuke nonsense while shoveling billions to the military/industrial complex....giving Ukraine a missile system that was deeply flawed when in use in the Middle East. So no one is going to nuke anyone. But the band will play on.
moon
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Russia has produced its ' thousands ' ? of tactical battlefield nukes for a scenario wherein it was losing a ground war in Europe. That's what they're for. That's why NATO's push to overwhelm the Russians in Ukraine is the brainchild of certifiable Americans who believe that they will be safe at home while Europeans get incinerated for the American dreams of world dominance.
Look at it from the Russian perspective. If NATO controls Ukraine then it's simply a matter of time before NATO acts to eliminate Russia- which would entail a nuclear exchange- so they might just as well meet NATO head-on now, at a time of their own choosing. They really won't care if they end up with the territories that have- willfully- joined with them while the rest of Ukraine is a radioactive buffer zone. That's where it's headed if Biden continues to push.
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Taichiliberal
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Pure supposition and conjecture on your part. Think: no matter how "tactical" the nuke is, there's fallout. Add wind and rain to that and Russia would be looking at some serious "blow back"....not to mention screwing a major part of the world's bread basket.
Back in Jimmy Carter's time, the military rolled out the "neutron bomb", which would deliver the same fatal dose of radiation as the old atom bomb, but with far less physical damage to the target city. Also, the neutron radiation would dissipate to nothing within 3 months (or so the story went).
I haven't heard anything on this in over 30 years. So forgive me if I take anything Russia or the USA say about nuke weapons with a heavy dose of salt.
moon
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You can be sure that they would factor in very low yield, prevailing winds and weather conditions. They would also be convinced that NATO would not make a nuclear response- but they would be ICBM geared-up just in case.
Let them have their secure borders. It's an existential matter for them.- whereas it is NOT a WW3 concern for us. They haven't armed to the teeth with tactical nukes in order to play pinochle with the neighbors, NATO or otherwise.
You are not thinking like a cornered Russian might. I sincerely hope that Biden is.....but he's screwed up to date.
The US destroyed the Ukrainian democratic system in 2014- so it's laughable to bleat on about ' Ukrainian democracy and self-determination ' today. SOME Ukrainians wanted to join with the EU- others did not. The 'West ' paid no heed whatsoever to pro-Russian Ukrainians- and this is the result of that hegemonic ignorance.
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Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Again, speculation, supposition and conjecture based on what the White House/Pentagon press releases re: nuke weapons. That situation has been messed up for decades...if you catch foreign news services and American alternative news services like Pacifica Broadcast or McClatchey news services. Also, people would debate you regarding 2014...but that is NOT my issue right now.
moon
Satire for Sanity
No. It's not ' speculation, supposition and conjecture ' that Russian tactical nukes exist, probably many hundreds and that such nukes are intended for battlefield deployment if Russia is faced with an existential threat . It IS wishful thinking to believe that they are ornaments with no intended purpose or that, if they were used against non-NATO Ukraine and NATO reacted directly against Russia then that aggression would not result in WW3.
Of course, neither you nor I can be certain- but I prefer the reasoning of caution.
The 2014 US-led coup is recorded history. I shouldn't bother attempting to shrug off that particular massive blunder.
