EV manufacturer's stock tanking

Nordberg said:
Stop lying jerk. The point was that oil companies see the EV future and Shell is buying up charging stations. I supplied the story for someone to read and explain it to you. Obviously, it failed.
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Tell us about the 'inhabitants' of a Challenger 2 tank again, shit for brains!!!
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
The Petroleum age is well defined in the Modern age.

You need to just shut the fuck up and learn something, and stop looking like an uneducated moron every time you open your mouth!

Your ignorance in history and sciences stands out like a turd floating in the punch bowl!
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Petroleum is not an age.
 
Nordberg said:
Stop lying jerk. The point was that oil companies see the EV future and Shell is buying up charging stations. I supplied the story for someone to read and explain it to you. Obviously, it failed.
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Insult fallacies. LIF. EVs are the past. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.
 
Nordberg said:
Stop lying jerk. The point was that oil companies see the EV future and Shell is buying up charging stations. I supplied the story for someone to read and explain it to you. Obviously, it failed.
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The WEF is discussing the digital economy, behind closed doors of course, combine that with EVs that are always connected to the internet and you've got your brave new world!!!

One controversial agenda item is a world digital economy, a takeover of every transaction in the world, opening up personal tracking and profiling.
 
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serendipity said:
The WEF is discussing the digital economy, behind closed doors of course, combine that with EVs that are always connected to the internet and you've got your brave new world!!!
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Most people wont even have a car, they might call a car, and if they have a high enough social credit score it will take them where they want to go.
 
serendipity said:
You're a truly tedious man, let's hear from someone who is not only very funny but an extremely pissed off ex-BEV driver.

Giles Coren:

Why I’ve pulled the plug on my electric car

As I watch my family strike out on foot across the fields into driving rain and gathering darkness, my wife holding each child’s hand, our new year plans in ruins, while I do what I can to make our dead car safe before abandoning it a mile short of home, full of luggage on a country lane, it occurs to me not for the first time that if we are going to save the planet we will have to find another way. Because electric cars are not the answer.

Yes, it’s the Jaguar again. My doomed bloody £65,000 iPace that has done nothing but fail at everything it was supposed to do for more than two years now, completely dead this time, its lifeless corpse blocking the single-track road.

I can’t even roll it to a safer spot because it can’t be put in neutral. For when an electric car dies, it dies hard. And then lies there as big and grey and not-going-anywhere as the poacher-slain bull elephant I once saw rotting by a roadside in northern Kenya. Just a bit less smelly.

Not that this is unusual. Since I bought my eco dream car in late 2020, in a deluded Thunbergian frenzy, it has spent more time off the road than on it, beached at the dealership for months at a time on account of innumerable electrical calamities, while I galumph around in the big diesel “courtesy cars” they send me under the terms of the warranty.

But this time I don’t want one. And I don’t want my own car back either. I have asked the guys who sold it to me to sell it again, as soon as it is fixed, to the first mug who walks into the shop. Because I am going back to petrol while there is still time.

And if the government really does ban new wet fuel cars after 2030, then we will eventually have to go back to horses. Because the electric vehicle industry is no readier to get a family home from Cornwall at Christmas time (as I was trying to do) than it is to fly us all to Jupiter. The cars are useless, the infrastructure is not there and you’re honestly better off walking. Even on the really long journeys. In fact, especially on the long journeys. The short ones they can just about manage. It’s no wonder Tesla shares are down 71 per cent. It’s all a huge fraud. And, for me, it’s over.

Yet the new owner of my “preloved” premium electric vehicle, fired with a messianic desire to make a better world for his children, will not know this. He will be delighted with his purchase and overjoyed to find there are still six months of warranty left, little suspecting that once that has expired — and with it the free repairs and replacement cars for those long spells off road — he will be functionally carless.

He will be over the moon to learn that it has “a range of up to 292 miles”. No need to tell him what that really means is “220 miles”. Why electric carmakers are allowed to tell these lies is a mystery to me. As it soon will be to him.

Although for the first few days he won’t worry especially. He’ll think he can just nip into a fuel station and charge it up again. Ho ho ho. No need to tell him that two out of three roadside chargers in this country are broken or busy at any one time. Or that the built-in “find my nearest charge point” function doesn’t work, has never worked, and isn’t meant to work.

Or that apps like Zap-Map don’t work either because the chargers they send you to are always either busy or broken or require a membership card you don’t have or an app you can’t download because there’s no 5G here, in the middle of nowhere, where you will now probably die.

Or that the Society of Motor Manufacturers said this week that only 23 new chargers are being installed nationwide each day, of the 100 per day that were promised (as a proud early adopter, I told myself that charging would become easier as the network grew, but it hasn’t grown, while the number of e-drivers has tripled, so it’s actually harder now than it was two years ago).

There are, of course, plus sides to electric ownership. Such as the camaraderie when we encounter each other, tired and weeping at yet another service station with only two chargers, one of which still has the “this fault has been reported” sign on it from when you were here last August, and the other is of the measly 3kWh variety, which means you will have to spend the night in a Travelodge while your stupid drum lazily inhales enough juice to get home.

Together, in the benighted charging zone, we leccy drivers laugh about what fools we are and drool over the diesel hatchbacks nonchalantly filling up across the way (“imagine getting to a fuel station and knowing for sure you will be able to refuel!”) and talk in the hour-long queue at Exeter services about the petrol car we will buy as soon as we get home.

We filled up there last week on the way back from Cornwall, adding two hours to our four-hour journey, by which time Esther wasn’t speaking to me. She’s been telling me to get rid of the iPace since it ruined last summer’s holidays in both Wales and Devon (“If you won’t let us fly any more, at least buy a car that can get us to the places we’re still allowed to go!”).

But I kept begging her to give me one last chance, as if I’d refused to give up a mistress, rather than a dull family car. Until this time, a couple of miles from home, when a message flashed up on the dash: “Assisted braking not available — proceed with caution.” Then: “Steering control unavailable.”

And then, as I inched off the dual carriageway at our turnoff, begging it to make the last mile, children weeping at the scary noises coming from both car and father: “Gearbox fault detected.” CLUNK. WHIRRR. CRACK.

And dead. Nothing. Poached elephant. I called Jaguar Assist (there is a button in the roof that does it directly — most useful feature on the car) who told me they could have a mechanic there in four hours (who would laugh and say, “Can’t help you, pal. You’ve got a software issue there. I’m just a car mechanic. And this isn’t a car, it’s a laptop on wheels.”)

So Esther and the kids headed for home across the sleety wastes, a vision of post-apocalyptic misery like something out of Cormac McCarthy, while I saw out 2022 waiting for a tow-truck. Again.

But don’t let that put you off. I see in the paper that electric car sales are at record levels and production is struggling to keep up with demand. So why not buy mine? It’s clean as a whistle and boasts super-low mileage. After all, it’s hardly been driven . . .
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I am not sure why you are taking your frustrations with your car out on on me!

All my comments have to do is with looking back at history and how innovation can end one era and define a new one.

I never said that the Petroleum age was over or ending anytime soon.

My sister purchased a new gasoline driven sports luxury sedan and after about 6 months, it started stalling while just driving down the road or highway. The car became dangerous to drive. KIA could not fix the problem and chose to swap out the engine with a new one, and all is OK now.

So, people have problems with gasoline driven cars as well.

People have a choice, and they have to decide and consider many things before purchasing a new technology, and decide if the concept is right or wrong for their driving needs and habits.

I mean, are you sayin' based on your experience, that the world should just stop manufacturing electric cars because you had a bad experience with them?

It looks that way! Do you want to take everyone's choice away from them?
 
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serendipity said:
The WEF is discussing the digital economy, behind closed doors of course, combine that with EVs that are always connected to the internet and you've got your brave new world!!!

One controversial agenda item is a world digital economy, a takeover of every transaction in the world, opening up personal tracking and profiling.
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Won't happen, of course. They have no control of what people choose to use for currency. They just think they do.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
I am not sure why you are taking your frustrations with your car out on on me!

All my comments have to do is with looking back at history and how innovation can end one era and define a new one.

I never said that the Petroleum age was over or ending anytime soon.

My sister purchased a new gasoline driven sports luxury sedan and after about 6 months, it started stalling while just driving down the road or highway. The car became dangerous to drive. KIA could not fix the problem and chose to swap out the engine with a new one, and all is OK now.

So, people have problems with gasoline driven cars as well.

People have a choice, and they have to decide and consider many things before purchasing a new technology, and decide if the concept is right or wrong for their driving needs and habits.

I mean, are you sayin' based on your experience, that the world should just stop manufacturing electric cars because you had a bad experience with them?

It looks that way! Do you want to take everyone's choice away from them?
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Petroleum is not an age.
It is YOU that wants to take away choice. It is YOU arguing to mandate EVs.
 
serendipity said:
Tell us about the 'inhabitants' of a Challenger 2 tank again, shit for brains!!!
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Nutberg is forever running away from his bullshit, the stupid fucker has never heard of explosive reactive armour. He thinks tanks are still stuck in the WW2 era.

Origins of the Explosive Reactive Armor 2.0

The Explosive Reactive Armor is a special armor used by modern Armored Fighting Vehicles intended to defeat shaped charge weapons and is also capable of defeating armor piercing kinetic energy penetrators.

The Soviet Union had began the development of Explosive Reactive Armor to counter shaped charge weapons in 1949, however, the project was a total failure and ended without any working type of ERA developed due to poor designs and accidents that caused some deaths.

It was only until the 1970s that the first successful Explosive Reactive Armor was created and patented by the German researcher Dr. Manfred Held.

Dr. Held was an expert on shaped charge weapons and after observing destroyed Soviet T-55 tanks after the Arab-Israeli Six-Day War, he discovered that the detonation of the ammunition has reduced the penetration and damage caused by shaped charge weapons on the tanks.

He used this principle to create the first Explosive Reactive Armor was able to defeat shaped charges and even Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot and early Armor Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot ammunition used by Soviet tanks at the time.
However, this ERA was too complicated and was intended to be integrated within special cavities in the tank's armor where the explosive layer was placed and was then covered by a thin steel plate.

He later created and patented an improved design which was more similar to the ERA used today, it was made of two thin steel plates with the explosive layer sandwitched in between them and this could be simply bolted on the outside of the tank's armor without much modifications.

Dr. Manfred Held tried to persuade Germany and other NATO members to adopt his newly developed special armor for main battle tanks but was without success.

Thankfully, when he returned to Israel in 1974 after the Yom-Kippur War to continue his research, he was able to present his invention to Israeli Defense Force delegates and the Israel government accepted it for use on their main battle tanks and issued a contract for Rafael Industries to mass produce the new Explosive Reactive Armor.

This became the Blazer ERA and went into service with Israel's M48 & M60 Patton and Centurion tanks and first saw action in the 1982 Lebanon War.

This was later followed by the Soviet Union developing the Kontact-1 ERA by 1984 and Czechoslovakia with the DYNA ERA in 1988.

These early Explosive Reactive Armor however were unable to defeat more powerful APFSDS ammunition used by 3rd generation main battle tanks and it was not until the Kontact-5 that ERA began to be designed to defeat APFSDS.

The Kontact-5 and its successors such as the Relikt ERA used thicker armor plates made of tougher metal alloys as well as more powerful explosives in order to break Depleted Uranium and Tungsten APFSDS kinetic energy penetrators and also to defeat tandem charge warheads by keeping the explosive layer from being detonated by the smaller initial shaped charge warhead.

Newer Explosive Reactive Armor designs such as the Ukranian Nozh ERA now tend to use linear shaped charges that cut shaped charge jets and APFSDS kinetic energy penetrators into multiple fragments, making them ineffective in penetrating armor.

The main advantage of this however is its smaller explosions and lower amount of shrapnel that could harm nearby personnel.

Shaped charge ERA could also be applied in multiple layers which allows the vehicle to withstand multiple hits at the same spots unlike in previous ERA designs.
 
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