"Intelligent design" creationism basically finished

Concart said:
IAnd who did it? This is a question that people like PMP avoid completely or dodge with a 'God has always existed'. The fact is that over billions of years, random events, even with very, very long odds, WILL occur. There are no questions that need God as the answer.
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/shrugs.....the question that doesn't need answering is "who created a God who had no beginning"..........meanwhile, thank you for your post......the next time someone says "nobody thinks that the origin of the universe is a random event" I can remind them of you......
 
Concart said:
If a creator is required for a single cell organism, what is required to create the creator? And who did it? This is a question that people like PMP avoid completely or dodge with a 'God has always existed'. The fact is that over billions of years, random events, even with very, very long odds, WILL occur. There are no questions that need God as the answer. None. Zero. Zip. Nil. Nada. There are still many questions that science has not answered, and there are observations that we do not have the technology to make. But every single time we were told that God was right up there under that rock, we turn the rock over and find science. EVERY. TIME.

If you wish to believe in a creator, be my guest..... but don't suggest that ID is logical in any meaningful way.
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I don't have any veneer of certainty about how life emerged from prebiotic inert chemicals.

The answers are far from certain, and that is precisely what makes it such an interesting scientific question.

It actually didn't take billions of years for life to emerge from a prebiotic state. As best we can tell, the first cells emerged a few hundred million years after the heavy bombardment phase, only relatively shortly after Earth's environment became relatively stable.

The first complex multicellular creatures with hard parts and shells seem to have exploded onto the scene from single celled precursors in the span of only about 30 million years.

These spurts of biologic emergence is a vexing and endlessly interesting scientific question.

On the other tangent, I don't think the word complexity truly captures the intractable problem of abiogenesis. Inorganic and organic systems can have the properties of complexity.

What makes life peculiar is that even at the level of an individual cell we see self organization, a seemingly choreographed dance of organelles and parts, self reproduction, and an infinitely complex system of information transmission and replication. I still remember thinking in introductory biology and genetics classes that a single cell seems like a maddeningly complex and choreographed system of self organizing machinery.

That is what makes it so bloody fascinating, and such a fruitful avenue of scientific inquiry.
 
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