"Intelligent design" creationism basically finished

BidenPresident said:
You are a tiresome idiot.
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Dr. Robert Hazen, a graduate of MIT, Harvard, and a prominent researcher in the origin of life isn't afraid of saying that many people invoke or speculate that the origin of cellular life was a miracle. Why be afraid to acknowledge it?

His job is then to focus the class' attention on testable hypotheses, like the chemical origins of cellular life from prebiotic material.
 
Cypress said:
Dr. Robert Hazen, a graduate of MIT, Harvard, and a prominent researcher in the origin of life isn't afraid of saying that many people invoke or speculate that the origin of cellular life was a miracle.

His job is to focus the class' attention on testable hypotheses, like the chemical origins of cellular life from prebiotic material.
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I don't care what some guy said.
 
Cypress said:
Not testable. And I have said that.

Every cosmologist I've listened to just mentions it as sheer speculation. They also mention other grand, speculations such as a grand designer of the universe.

Your kidding yourself if you don't think a grand designer at least gets mentioned as a type of extravagant speculation in a cosmology class.
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What I'm saying is what the watch maker argument says, you wing nuts find a watch and want us to believe it's existence is not the result of an watch maker but chance. Or my favorite, it's always been a watch that is why it's a watch. You're the same people that think someone with a penis is a woman because they say so. It's just is. Lmfao
 
Cypress said:
To be honest, it exists because that is the nature of existence isn't very scientifically or philosophically satisfying, at least to me.

All we can do is speculate about the origin of the physical laws, the mathmatical scaffolding of the universe, the fine tuning of the cosmos.

One possibility is the organization, complexity, and life giving properties of the universe just happened despite it's statistical implausibility, and the origin of the cosmos was a quantum fluctuation.

Another possibility is that there is a higher organizing principle underlying the cosmos, something beyond our simian brain's ability to fathom.

Another possibility is that the physical constants can take different values, and reality is comprised of a multiverse, and the universe we live in just happened to be finely tuned for organization, complexity, life.
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The nature of existence is matter, space and time exist


They interact

That interaction causes the matter to evolve and change over time


Given Enough time many conditions are created


Some of those conditions created the possibility of things like us forming


Our existence proves that to be very possible


Of course we don’t understand all of the processes yet


Many we now understand we’re once unknown by man and considered by some unknowable by man


That was proven incorrect


We will know at some point if conditions allow us the time
 
Nordberg said:
Since the universe has been around for 14 billion yrs, we have no witnesses. Science can backtrack to microseconds after the big bang. They can explain how chemical ingredients, the building blocks , would be made. That can all be shown. It does not require faith. Religion has nothing to recommend it. It was a product of man's imagination in an attempt to explain what science did not know in the beginning. It is a dwindling system since science has chopped its tenets down.
Man created god and religion. That is why we have thousands of them.
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Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion on religion.

I think of God, Brahman, and The Dao as human attempts to anthropomorphize the mystery of the infinite.

There is an enormous amount we don't know about the cosmos and even about mathmatics. Some of the answers we may never know, like the origin of the physical laws, the arbitraty nature of the physical constants, the mathmatically implausible fine tuning of the universe.

My personal opinion is that it is hubris to assume our souped-up chimpanzee brains can, or ever will, know the true nature of everything and of all reality.
 
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anything about the pseudoscience known as creationism in years, if it's been discredited, that's a good thing.
 
Yakuda said:
What I'm saying is what the watch maker argument says, you wing nuts find a watch and want us to believe it's existence is not the result of an watch maker but chance. Or my favorite, it's always been a watch that is why it's a watch. You're the same people that think someone with a penis is a woman because they say so. It's just is. Lmfao
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You can believe whatever your feeble mind dictates.
 
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