WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDERS SAY IF THEY COULD SEE AMERICA TODAY ?

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The American Founders and those of them, like Madison who played a key role in Framing the Constitution, were almost entirely White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (I think that only ONE of the 52 "official" Founders was a Catholic), likewise,he overwhelming proportion of the population of the 13 colonies in the Founding era/Revolutionary era.



The most fundamental of the Founding document's is Thomas Jefferson's "Declaration of Independence" (1776), although Jefferson was not the real author of the "Declaration." All of the famous moral and political principles in the "Declaration" were, in fact, taken from a text called "Two Treatises on Government" which was written by John Locke (1632 -1704) and first published in 1689. Jefferson was perfectly open in admitting this - it is just one of those facts that history - for whatever reasons (?) - seemed to overlook.




John Locke was a genius - one of the greatest thinkers of the 17th- century English Enlightenment. Locke was also a devout Christian, and the well-known passages in the "Declaration of Independence regarding the each man's unalienable right to:life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness/(possession of private property) where taken directly from "Two Treatises on Government" Locke derived the natural rights specified in the "Declaration" from his belief in the theory of the "Natural Law" Locke believed the Natural Law had been ordained by God almighty - that is. the God of Christianity. In the Declaration, Jefferson lists the absolute and inalienable rights of man as: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; Locke had them as : life,liberty and the possion of (private) property. The reason Jefferson substitutes "persuit of happiness" for private property, is that Locke also argued that a person's individual inner "self" was also a form of property that the individual possessed, and via a rather dubious interpretation of this Jefferson came up with the idea of "the "pursuit of happiness" being a natural right. He should have kept Locke's original "natural right" of the individual to the possession of property and not fart-assed around with the original text.




So, the "Declaration of Independence" is DEEPLY-ROOTED in the Christian faith.




The "Declaration" was the all-important, moral foundation that the US Constitution was built upon. The Framers also drew on many other Lockian principles of government (e.g, the doctrine of the separation of powers) that were set down in Two Treatises of Government in drafting the US Constitution. It is important to realise that all of Locke's political theory was deeply-rooted in his Christian faith (Locke was a Protestant - a member of the Anglican Church during his lifetime. And he can be consider the Intellectual Father of the Republic (I say "intellectual"' in the sense that John Locke himself passed away in 1704, several decades before 1776. Though his voice was heard very clearly through his published works. Make no mistake, it was a dead Englishman, the devout Christian political philosopher, John Locke, who lit the fuse of the American Revolutionary War, then effectively drafted the new republic's Constitution.




I have no doubt that the Founding Fathers of America wanted future citizens of the republic to be white Anglo-Americans or stock descended from North-Western Europe and Christians, because The Founders themselves, were Anglo-American Protestants - most of the 52 Founders were likely the descendants of English Puritans, and during the Revolutionary era, something like 90% of the population of the American colonies was Anglo-American Protestant, all of whom firmly believed in the Christian "Natural Law" theory. Given this, there is a curious passage in the Constitution that I will transcribe below....




US CONSTITUTION: ARTICLE VI, CLAUSE 3....




"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of several State Legislatures, and all Executive and Judicial officers, both of the United States and the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support the Constitution: BUT NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED AS A QUALIFICATION TO ANY OFFICE OR PUBLIC TRUST UNDER THE UNITED STATES."




The upshot of this clause of the Constitution is that it allow individuals like Ihan Omar, who is a Muslim, to be seated in Congress. A Muslim, like Ilhan Omar, is a member of the religion of Islam, and Islam is an inherently violent and expansionist "religion. It is better understood , in fact, as a type of fascist, totalitarian political ideology.Moreover, Islam has a legal system known as Sharia Law whose cruel and barbaric (medieval) punishments include: execution (by such primitive means as stoning to death in public, and for such crimes as "apostacy"), amputation of hands and/or feet, public whipping/floggings/beatings. Polygamy is legal for men, any woman not wearing a Hijab can be lawfully raped, women who commit adultery are executed;women can be lawfully raped and beaten by their husbands, and have no rights to education or many other basic human rights under Sharia Law. ISLAM is NOT a RELIGON OF PEACE Muhammad, was a blood-thirsty psychopath would waged almost 90 major battle. He is known to have personally beheaded HUNDREDS of prisoners taken (during a battle) in a single session. Muhammad was also a pedophile who married a 12 year old year. He preached "the sword" and lived by "the sword". His life's mission was to converts the world's infidel (an infidel was any person who did not worship Allah as a muslim) Muhammad preached that infidels must convert to Islam,or, pay a specified tax, or be executed Lastly, Muslims do not like ANYTHING about America (to put it mildly). In places like Iran, America is called "the Great Satan" and Death to America" has been chanted by Iranian mobs at potitical demonstrations for many years.




President Trump was right to place a travel ban on Muslims from violent States known to have been engaged in terrorism, etc; travelling to America. It is a shame that he did not have the opportunity to ban ALL Muslims from entering America on a permanent basis.




There are FOUR Muslims in Congress at present. Given they all hate America (the Constitutional republic) and seek to harm America. WTF is going on ?. Why are they not kicked out of Congress immediately (?) - all it would take is for Article VI, Clause III of the Constitution to be expunged. What's left of the native, White (European) people (still accounts for 60% of the US national population) - would absolutely endorse such a change if the question were put to a national referendum (plebescite).





WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDERS AND FRAMERS (OF THE US CONSTITUTION) THINK IF THEY COULD SEE AMERICA AS IT IS TODAY?





Thats an easy question to answer - they would be shocked and appalled to the core when they saw what had been done to their plan for a great new republic. Then they would probably get really ANGRY. I can imagine Benjamin Franklin shouting:"Who are the bastards responsible for this?! Alexander Hamilton would just say, in disbelief :"You're f**king joking ?!", when BLM, CRT (and transgenderism) were explained to him. If George Washington was taken to the Southern Border and briefed on the current situation re illegal immigration, I think he would faint; the diabolical reality would simply be too much for his mind to cope with. When he regained consciousness, I think Washington would need to be physically restrained from galloping to Delaware, hunting down Biden, and giving him "a taste of cold steel."






What could honestly be said to these Founders and Framers who had arrived in America in 2023, by way of explaining the monumental BALLS-UP that America's political leadership (in the modern era) had made of their great vision . The only thing I could think to sat to them would be something like this....





Yes... we f**ked up your vision for a great new republic. It wasn't your fault in any way. The Founding documents: the"Declaration" and theConstitution/Bill of Rights were pretty much "good as gold" and from the late 18th - century - let's say, 1790 - to 1965, everything was sweet as a nut - better - America took off like a rocket, the US was the most advanced and powerful of all the Western nation. In 1965, the only social problems were to do with African-Americans (former slaves) In 1865, a President called Abraham Lincoln tried to repatriate former African slave, but he was assassinated and his deportation project never became a reality. This subsequently resulted in an inordinate amount of social and political strife, which is ongoing today. But if you want to know why America is in the state it currently is, the answer is immigration policy. On October 3rd, 1965, a left-progressive President named Lyndon Baines Johnson signed what was/is called the "Hart-Celler Immigration Act into Law." The Hart-Celler Act opened America's border to immigration from the coloured Third World. In 1965, White Western Europeans made up over 85% of America's population; today in 2023 the percentage of the nations population who are White (from Northe-West European stock) has fallen to below 60%, and is predicted to continue declining until the White (European) population becomes a (politically) powerless minority at some point later in this century. As the non-white percentage of the American population steadily increased after 1965, the more vision of America as a constitutional repbublic began to unravel. I think this is because the "Declaration" and the "Constitution" were documents developed BY and FOR for the White Western mind The values and principles in the Founding document can only ever strike a true chord/ fully resonate in the mind and spirit of the White individual who is descended from forebears in the far North - Western region os Europe. To the Black African; the Australian Aboriginal, the Cuban the Hispanic/latino; Arab and Asian (Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc), the words of the "Declaration of Independence", when recited, to them, are merely the sound of a "clanging cymbal". They are essentially meaningless for coloured immigrants from the 3rd -World, especially given that many who arrived in the US had little education and many were unable to speak English. There are some coloured immigrants and African-American who are able to genuinely grap the moral , legal and political principles that America was founded on, but this is only possible for those with a relatively high IQ. For instance, the average IQ of the African-American is 85 points- and that relatively low compared to White Americans. The upshot is that most of the Black Americans do not genuinely understand the the moral, legal and political tents in the Founding documents. They don't understand them, and they are therefore not interested in them, and basically couldn't give a hairy rat's ass about the meaning of "America" as you gentlemen understood it.




THE FOUNDING FATHERS REPLY...




(Benjamin Franklin) "But we SAID back in 1790, that the citizens of this country must be White. You were - and are - not that foolish to understand, this was a tacit endorsement for a future America whose citizens we to be White, Anglo-American (or North-Western European descended American) AND Christian or, at least amenable to the basic precepts of Christian morality?!"




(George Washington)" How was this fellow Lyndon Baines Johnson allowed to get away with passing the "Hart-Celler" Act into Law? And who is this scoundrel, Biden? Good God - the fool has left the Southern Border open and there are a thousand Black vagabonds and their piccaninies pouring across it every hour! Dammit ! Damn it ! I won the Revolutionary War in this country, young man, and I demand some explanations ! Why hasn't this scoundrel Biden been arrested for treason ! And why in God's name is the Vice President of this republic a "darkie" - have you people gone "barking mad"?




(Thomas Jefferson) I quite agree, George, this is an outrage. (And) could someone explain for me why the Transport Secretary is a sodomite but is somehow legally married to another sodomite? By Jove, I've never heard anything like it in my life. moral turpitude of the highest order, Sir, that's what it is, dammit, and it's taking place in the republic I helped to Found. And if that were not enough - there is a former male Admiral of the navy masquerading as a woman - and it's a damn ugly sight it is I tell ye -who is a member of the Cabinet (and no doubt a dem "backgammon-player". I never seen anything like it- never even in a French bawdy-house, Sir !




(John Jay) Ay, Thomas, and that is not the end of it, my friend. I am told that children in public schools are now taught that every White man in America is a wicked scoundrel who must bow in humble deference before any common Sambo he encounters, like a dem fart-catcher. ! (And) the very same absurd and evil doctrine teaches native, white youth in America that they must forsake their own nation as it was founded in hatred and cruelty. In its place, I hear, there is to be a Darkie Empire established, and this on the very soil that our brave boys fought to win in the Revolution !




(George Washington) OUTRAGEOUS !! I heard enough ! Young man, have a servant fetch me, "Blueskin," to this building (one of Washington's favourite battle-horses - a beautiful, roan blue/white Arabian stallion) and m'Bailey as well ! (this is the famous sword - "The Bailey Silver and Ivory-Hilted Cutto" - that Washington used during the American Revolutionary War. Apart from being a lethal weapon, this sword is renowned for its aesthetic excellence. It is a truly beautiful work of art).



(Thomas Jefferson) "I hope ye be not contemplating a rash action, George ?"



(George Washington) 'Tis my intention to ride "Blueskin" to Delaware and challege that addle-pated, piddling, muck-spout Joseph Biden to a duel of swords on the field of honour. The dem poltroon is an insult to this country and I tell ye I'll slit the laggard's gizzard for him and have his guts for garters. For it seems a clear case to me to me that white America, in the year 2023, has lost all hope; has committed that most unforgivable os sins - that of despair They do nothing to stop the invasion of their own land by hordes of savages who - flood unbridled and unrestrained - through their own Southern Border. Well, I'll not sit back and watch my republic destroyed in broad daylight - not while there's a breath of like in me! Ah, there's "Blueskin". Gentlemen, I have business to attend to.I bid thee fare-well, and shall return to Washington anon.



George Washington is seen galloping off towards Delaware on "Blueskin", lofting his "Baily" high and mighty in his right hand.



(Stay tuned for the exciting conclusion in post #2.)



Dachshound - the Wonder Hound


DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!
 
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The American Founders and those of them, like Madison who played a key role in Framing the Constitution, were almost entirely White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (I think that only ONE of the 52 "official" Founders was a Catholic), likewise,he overwhelming proportion of the population of the 13 colonies in the Founding era/Revolutionary era.



The most fundamental of the Founding document's is Thomas Jefferson's "Declaration of Independence" (1776), although Jefferson was not the real author of the "Declaration." All of the famous moral and political principles in the "Declaration" were, in fact, taken from a text called "Two Treatises on Government" which was written by John Locke (1632 -1704) and first published in 1689. Jefferson was perfectly open in admitting this - it is just one of those facts that history - for whatever reasons (?) - seemed to overlook.




John Locke was a genius - one of the greatest thinkers of the 17th- century English Enlightenment. Locke was also a devout Christian, and the well-known passages in the "Declaration of Independence regarding the each man's unalienable right to:life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness/(possession of private property) where taken directly from "Two Treatises on Government" Locke derived the natural rights specified in the "Declaration" from his belief in the theory of the "Natural Law" Locke believed the Natural Law had been ordained by God almighty - that is. the God of Christianity. In the Declaration, Jefferson lists the absolute and inalienable rights of man as: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; Locke had them as : life,liberty and the possion of (private) property. The reason Jefferson substitutes "persuit of happiness" for private property, is that Locke also argued that a person's individual inner "self" was also a form of property that the individual possessed, and via a rather dubious interpretation of this Jefferson came up with the idea of "the "pursuit of happiness" being a natural right. He should have kept Locke's original "natural right" of the individual to the possession of property and not fart-assed around with the original text.




So, the "Declaration of Independence" is DEEPLY-ROOTED in the Christian faith.




The "Declaration" was the all-important, moral foundation that the US Constitution was built upon. The Framers also drew on many other Lockian principles of government (e.g, the doctrine of the separation of powers) that were set down in Two Treatises of Government in drafting the US Constitution. It is important to realise that all of Locke's political theory was deeply-rooted in his Christian faith (Locke was a Protestant - a member of the Anglican Church during his lifetime. And he can be consider the Intellectual Father of the Republic (I say "intellectual"' in the sense that John Locke himself passed away in 1704, several decades before 1776. Though his voice was heard very clearly through his published works. Make no mistake, it was a dead Englishman, the devout Christian political philosopher, John Locke, who lit the fuse of the American Revolutionary War, then effectively drafted the new republic's Constitution.




I have no doubt that the Founding Fathers of America wanted future citizens of the republic to be white Anglo-Americans or stock descended from North-Western Europe and Christians, because The Founders themselves, were Anglo-American Protestants - most of the 52 Founders were likely the descendants of English Puritans, and during the Revolutionary era, something like 90% of the population of the American colonies was Anglo-American Protestant, all of whom firmly believed in the Christian "Natural Law" theory. Given this, there is a curious passage in the Constitution that I will transcribe below....




US CONSTITUTION: ARTICLE VI, CLAUSE 3....




"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of several State Legislatures, and all Executive and Judicial officers, both of the United States and the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support the Constitution: BUT NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED AS A QUALIFICATION TO ANY OFFICE OR PUBLIC TRUST UNDER THE UNITED STATES."




The upshot of this clause of the Constitution is that it allow individuals like Ihan Omar, who is a Muslim, to be seated in Congress. A Muslim, like Ilhan Omar, is a member of the religion of Islam, and Islam is an inherently violent and expansionist "religion. It is better understood , in fact, as a type of fascist, totalitarian political ideology.Moreover, Islam has a legal system known as Sharia Law whose cruel and barbaric (medieval) punishments include: execution (by such primitive means as stoning to death in public, and for such crimes as "apostacy"), amputation of hands and/or feet, public whipping/floggings/beatings. Polygamy is legal for men, any woman not wearing a Hijab can be lawfully raped, women who commit adultery are executed;women can be lawfully raped and beaten by their husbands, and have no rights to education or many other basic human rights under Sharia Law. ISLAM is NOT a RELIGON OF PEACE Muhammad, was a blood-thirsty psychopath would waged almost 90 major battle. He is known to have personally beheaded HUNDREDS of prisoners taken (during a battle) in a single session. Muhammad was also a pedophile who married a 12 year old year. He preached "the sword" and lived by "the sword". His life's mission was to converts the world's infidel (an infidel was any person who did not worship Allah as a muslim) Muhammad preached that infidels must convert to Islam,or, pay a specified tax, or be executed Lastly, Muslims do not like ANYTHING about America (to put it mildly). In places like Iran, America is called "the Great Satan" and Death to America" has been chanted by Iranian mobs at potitical demonstrations for many years.




President Trump was right to place a travel ban on Muslims from violent States known to have been engaged in terrorism, etc; travelling to America. It is a shame that he did not have the opportunity to ban ALL Muslims from entering America on a permanent basis.




There are FOUR Muslims in Congress at present. Given they all hate America (the Constitutional republic) and seek to harm America. WTF is going on ?. Why are they not kicked out of Congress immediately (?) - all it would take is for Article VI, Clause III of the Constitution to be expunged. What's left of the native, White (European) people (still accounts for 60% of the US national population) - would absolutely endorse such a change if the question were put to a national referendum (plebescite).





WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDERS AND FRAMERS (OF THE US CONSTITUTION) THINK IF THEY COULD SEE AMERICA AS IT IS TODAY?





Thats an easy question to answer - they would be shocked and appalled to the core when they saw what had been done to their plan for a great new republic. Then they would probably get really ANGRY. I can imagine Benjamin Franklin shouting:"Who are the bastards responsible for this?! Alexander Hamilton would just say, in disbelief :"You're f**king joking ?!", when BLM, CRT (and transgenderism) were explained to him. If George Washington was taken to the Southern Border and briefed on the current situation re illegal immigration, I think he would faint; the diabolical reality would simply be too much for his mind to cope with. When he regained consciousness, I think Washington would need to be physically restrained from galloping to Delaware, hunting down Biden, and giving him "a taste of cold steel."






What could honestly be said to these Founders and Framers who had arrived in America in 2023, by way of explaining the monumental BALLS-UP that America's political leadership (in the modern era) had made of their great vision . The only thing I could think to sat to them would be something like this....





Yes... we f**ked up your vision for a great new republic. It wasn't your fault in any way. The Founding documents: the"Declaration" and theConstitution/Bill of Rights were pretty much "good as gold" and from the late 18th - century - let's say, 1790 - to 1965, everything was sweet as a nut - better - America took off like a rocket, the US was the most advanced and powerful of all the Western nation. In 1965, the only social problems were to do with African-Americans (former slaves) In 1865, a President called Abraham Lincoln tried to repatriate former African slave, but he was assassinated and his deportation project never became a reality. This subsequently resulted in an inordinate amount of social and political strife, which is ongoing today. But if you want to know why America is in the state it currently is, the answer is immigration policy. On October 3rd, 1965, a left-progressive President named Lyndon Baines Johnson signed what was/is called the "Hart-Celler Immigration Act into Law." The Hart-Celler Act opened America's border to immigration from the coloured Third World. In 1965, White Western Europeans made up over 85% of America's population; today in 2023 the percentage of the nations population who are White (from Northe-West European stock) has fallen to below 60%, and is predicted to continue declining until the White (European) population becomes a (politically) powerless minority at some point later in this century. As the non-white percentage of the American population steadily increased after 1965, the more vision of America as a constitutional repbublic began to unravel. I think this is because the "Declaration" and the "Constitution" were documents developed BY and FOR for the White Western mind The values and principles in the Founding document can only ever strike a true chord/ fully resonate in the mind and spirit of the White individual who is descended from forebears in the far North - Western region os Europe. To the Black African; the Australian Aboriginal, the Cuban the Hispanic/latino; Arab and Asian (Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc), the words of the "Declaration of Independence", when recited, to them, are merely the sound of a "clanging cymbal". They are essentially meaningless for coloured immigrants from the 3rd -World, especially given that many who arrived in the US had little education and many were unable to speak English. There are some coloured immigrants and African-American who are able to genuinely grap the moral , legal and political principles that America was founded on, but this is only possible for those with a relatively high IQ. For instance, the average IQ of the African-American is 85 points- and that relatively low compared to White Americans. The upshot is that most of the Black Americans do not genuinely understand the the moral, legal and political tents in the Founding documents. They don't understand them, and they are therefore not interested in them, and basically couldn't give a hairy rat's ass about the meaning of "America" as you gentlemen understood it.




THE FOUNDING FATHERS REPLY...




(Benjamin Franklin) "But we SAID back in 1790, that the citizens of this country must be White. You were - and are - not that foolish to understand, this was a tacit endorsement for a future America whose citizens we to be White, Anglo-American (or North-Western European descended American) AND Christian or, at least amenable to the basic precepts of Christian morality?!"




(George Washington)" How was this fellow Lyndon Baines Johnson allowed to get away with passing the "Hart-Celler" Act into Law? And who is this scoundrel, Biden? Good God - the fool has left the Southern Border open and there are a thousand Black vagabonds and their piccaninies pouring across it every hour! Dammit ! Damn it ! I won the Revolutionary War in this country, young man, and I demand some explanations ! Why hasn't this scoundrel Biden been arrested for treason ! And why in God's name is the Vice President of this republic a "darkie" - have you people gone "barking mad"?




(Thomas Jefferson) I quite agree, George, this is an outrage. (And) could someone explain for me why the Transport Secretary is a sodomite but is somehow legally married to another sodomite? By Jove, I've never heard anything like it in my life. moral turpitude of the highest order, Sir, that's what it is, dammit, and it's taking place in the republic I helped to Found. And if that were not enough - there is a former male Admiral of the navy masquerading as a woman - and it's a damn ugly sight it is I tell ye -who is a member of the Cabinet (and no doubt a dem "backgammon-player". I never seen anything like it- never even in a French bawdy-house, Sir !




(John Jay) Ay, Thomas, and that is not the end of it, my friend. I am told that children in public schools are now taught that every White man in America is a wicked scoundrel who must bow in humble deference before any common Sambo he encounters, like a dem fart-catcher ! (And) the very same absurd and evil doctrine teaches native, white youth in America that they must forsake their own nation as it was founded in hatred and cruelty. In its place, I hear, there is to be a Darkie Empire established, and on the very soil that our brave boys fought to win in the Revolution !




(George Washington) OUTRAGEOUS !! I heard enough ! Young man, have a servant fetch me, "Blueskin," to this building (one of Washington's favourite battle-horses - a beautiful, roan blue/white Arabian stallion) and m'Bailey as well ! (this is the famous sword - "The Bailey Silver and Ivory-Hilted Cutto" - that Washington used during the American Revolutionary War. Apart from being a lethal weapon, this sword is renowned for its aesthetic excellence. It is a truly beautiful work of art).



(Thomas Jefferson) "I hope ye be not contemplating a rash action, George ?"



(George Washington) 'Tis my intention to ride "Blueskin" to Delaware and challege that addle-pated, piddling, muck-spout Joseph Biden to a duel of swords on the field of honour. The dem poltroon is an insult to this country and I tell ye I'll slit the laggard's gizzard for him and have his guts for garters. For it seems a clear case to me to me that white America, in the year 2023, has lost all hope; has committed that most unforgivable os sins - that ofdespair They do nothing to stop the invasion of their own land by hordes of savages who - flood unbridled and unrestrained - through their own Southern Border. Well, I'll not sit back and watch my republic destroyed in broad daylight - not while there's a breath of like in me! Ah, there's "Blueskin". Gentlemen, I have business to attend to.I bid thee fare-well, and shall return to Washington anon.



George Washington is seen galloping off towards Delaware on "Blueskin", lofting his "Baily" high and mighty in his right hand.



(Stay tuned for the exciting conclusion in post #2.)



Dachshound - the Wonder Hound


DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

They would probably be in awe of how much it has changed...and how its position in the world has changed.

If we, the people of today, were to see how America will be during the year 2270 (a comparable time into the future)...almost certainly we would be in awe of the change...for good or ill.

But so what? The founders managed with the cards they were dealt at that time; we are managing the cards we currently have in our hands; and the people 250 years from now will manage with theirs.

I would hope the people of the future will not decide how they will live based on how we live...and I think the people who want to live today based on how people lived back in the late 18th century are nuts.

In any case, Dachshund, the disgusting war you want to wage has already been lost by your side. America already is not the predominantly white, male, Protestant America you long for...and it will be even more multi-ethnic and diverse into the future. My guess is the people of our future will look back to these days and see advocates for what you advocate...as savages and barbarians.

They will be right.
 
They would probably be in awe of how much it has changed...and how its position in the world has changed.

If we, the people of today, were to see how America will be during the year 2270 (a comparable time into the future)...almost certainly we would be in awe of the change...for good or ill.

But so what? The founders managed with the cards they were dealt at that time; we are managing the cards we currently have in our hands; and the people 250 years from now will manage with theirs.

I would hope the people of the future will not decide how they will live based on how we live...and I think the people who want to live today based on how people lived back in the late 18th century are nuts.

In any case, Dachshund, the disgusting war you want to wage has already been lost by your side. America already is not the predominantly white, male, Protestant America you long for...and it will be even more multi-ethnic and diverse into the future. My guess is the people of our future will look back to these days and see advocates for what you advocate...as savages and barbarians.

They will be right.

“a house divided against itself cannot stand,”

Diverse will destroy us. You will learn Chinese.
 
"So, the "Declaration of Independence" is DEEPLY-ROOTED in the Christian faith."


From the opening post with its fanciful, made up dialogue. The Declaration is rooted in the idea, shared by the Christian faith, that all men are created equal under God, assuming there is a Creator, otherwise to be born equal under law.

Not all of the Founders were even Christian. John Locke is not "lost to history", by the way. He is fully remembered as the major thinker of classical liberalism.
 
“a house divided against itself cannot stand,”

Diverse will destroy us. You will learn Chinese.

Diversity will make us stronger. But, you people who think male, white, Protestant (or religious)...are what make us stronger are unable to see that.

Your loss, RB.

我永远不会说中文。
 
Thats an easy question to answer - they would be shocked and appalled to the core when they saw what had been done to their plan for a great new republic. Then they would probably get really ANGRY. I can imagine Benjamin Franklin shouting:"Who are the bastards responsible for this?! Alexander Hamilton would just say, in disbelief :"You're f**king joking ?!", when BLM, CRT (and transgenderism) were explained to him. If George Washington was taken to the Southern Border and briefed on the current situation re illegal immigration, I think he would faint; the diabolical reality would simply be too much for his mind to cope with. When he regained consciousness, I think Washington would need to be physically restrained from galloping to Delaware, hunting down Biden, and giving him "a taste of cold steel."
Awesome; a poorly educated Aussie dumbass telling Americans about their own country when he lives in one that banned guns. LOL

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"So, the "Declaration of Independence" is DEEPLY-ROOTED in the Christian faith."


From the opening post with its fanciful, made up dialogue. The Declaration is rooted in the idea, shared by the Christian faith, that all men are created equal under God, assuming there is a Creator, otherwise to be born equal under law.

Not all of the Founders were even Christian. John Locke is not "lost to history", by the way. He is fully remembered as the major thinker of classical liberalism.

the politics of religous beliefs is no different than politics to state of mind or whom rules economic standards ancestrally forward now on the global scale within this species.

Stop using metaphors for actual evolving. A house divided against itself is no different than a species divided by ancestral sibling rivalries on which is the favorite child each generation forward combined as last 5 left evolving forward in plain sight now.
8 billion humans born one at a time occupying space in series parallel displacement shows evolving doesn't exceed occupying space in series parallel time displaced performing ideologies cradle to grave historically fooling each other 24/7.
 
Diversity will make us stronger. But, you people who think male, white, Protestant (or religious)...are what make us stronger are unable to see that.

Your loss, RB.

我永远不会说中文。

Look no further than the hatred of us older white Christian Americans. Is that hatred what you call diversity?

You hate me for believing in something you don't. I really don't care what you believe, or don't.

No Frank, I don't lose. The country loses when this diversity splits us up and divides us.
 
Look no further than the hatred of us older white Christian Americans. Is that hatred what you call diversity?

I am not part if the hatred, so I do not like to answer for those who are...

...BUT I, personally, would not call hatred diversity for any reason.

You hate me for believing in something you don't. I really don't care what you believe, or don't.

I do not hate you at all. In fact, I rather like you. I would love a chance to have a beer or several with some chat involved.

I do not hate anyone...including Trump, for instance.

No Frank, I don't lose. The country loses when this diversity splits us up and divides us.

The diversity is NOT dividing us. MAGA conservative reaction to diversity IS.
 
"So, the "Declaration of Independence" is DEEPLY-ROOTED in the Christian faith."

For all intents and purposes John Locke wrote the "Declaration of Independence". Thomas Jefferson plagiarised Locke's work on natural rights DIRECTLY from the former's "Two Treatises on Government" (pub 1689) re his famous passage on the universal and inalienable rights of all men/women to "life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"ditto the right of people to armed revolution if their government becomes tyrannical and fails to protect and/or defend their natural rights. Natural rights are the automatic corollary of Locke's theory of Natural Law(i.e. duty). According to Locke the Natural (moral) Law was divinely ordained by God (the Christian/Biblical "God the Father Almighty") The American colonists of the Founding/Revolutionary era were devout Protestants who fully embraced the theory of the Natural Law.Native, White Americans WERE, generally speaking, a quite devout Christian (Protestant) people, until the the later half of the 20th century, when mass Third World immigration (legal and illegal) began to steadily replace them and at the same time the Christian Church in America was undermined through the relentless spread of atheist neo-Marxist ideologies (aka cultural marxism), and through the spread of the moral relativism ( and the nihilism it inevitably breeds) that is promulgated by (Marxist-based) Postmodernist theory and vicious movements like Critical Race Theory (CRT) which is purely a form of racist Marxism. Transgender ideology in the K-12 curriculum is yet another disease offshoot of Marxism that undermines the moral precepts of the Bible, as is Gay marriage. Marriage IS A CHRISTIAN INSTITUTION. The main problem with gay marriage is that allows homosexual couples like the current Transport Secretary, Pete Buttigeig and his male "spouse" to adopt children. Do you know what happens to infants who are raised by homosexual parents, Martin ? Do yourself a favour and look up the hard statistics as they relate to every form of social, psychological and psychiatric dysfunction that these children tend to acquire.


There were 52 ("official") Founders - please name those who were not Christian; and while you're at it, tell me what exactly their religious beliefs were. Buddhist ? Hindu? Islamic? Satanist?


I fully realise that John Locke is not "lost to history". My point bis that that average American today does not know that John Locke was the INTELLECTUAL Father of the American Republic. They have all (well, most of them) heard of Thomas Jefferson, but they do not know who John Locke was and what he had to do with the Founding of their country. Ironically, it was Locke who wrote the detailed blueprint for America. If John Locke, an English political philosopher, a genius, whose work was directly inspired by his devout Christian faith had not existed there would never have been a USA. FULL STOP.



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The American Founders and those of them, like Madison who played a key role in Framing the Constitution, were almost entirely White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (I think that only ONE of the 52 "official" Founders was a Catholic), likewise,he overwhelming proportion of the population of the 13 colonies in the Founding era/Revolutionary era.



The most fundamental of the Founding document's is Thomas Jefferson's "Declaration of Independence" (1776), although Jefferson was not the real author of the "Declaration." All of the famous moral and political principles in the "Declaration" were, in fact, taken from a text called "Two Treatises on Government" which was written by John Locke (1632 -1704) and first published in 1689. Jefferson was perfectly open in admitting this - it is just one of those facts that history - for whatever reasons (?) - seemed to overlook.




John Locke was a genius - one of the greatest thinkers of the 17th- century English Enlightenment. Locke was also a devout Christian, and the well-known passages in the "Declaration of Independence regarding the each man's unalienable right to:life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness/(possession of private property) where taken directly from "Two Treatises on Government" Locke derived the natural rights specified in the "Declaration" from his belief in the theory of the "Natural Law" Locke believed the Natural Law had been ordained by God almighty - that is. the God of Christianity. In the Declaration, Jefferson lists the absolute and inalienable rights of man as: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; Locke had them as : life,liberty and the possion of (private) property. The reason Jefferson substitutes "persuit of happiness" for private property, is that Locke also argued that a person's individual inner "self" was also a form of property that the individual possessed, and via a rather dubious interpretation of this Jefferson came up with the idea of "the "pursuit of happiness" being a natural right. He should have kept Locke's original "natural right" of the individual to the possession of property and not fart-assed around with the original text.




So, the "Declaration of Independence" is DEEPLY-ROOTED in the Christian faith.




The "Declaration" was the all-important, moral foundation that the US Constitution was built upon. The Framers also drew on many other Lockian principles of government (e.g, the doctrine of the separation of powers) that were set down in Two Treatises of Government in drafting the US Constitution. It is important to realise that all of Locke's political theory was deeply-rooted in his Christian faith (Locke was a Protestant - a member of the Anglican Church during his lifetime. And he can be consider the Intellectual Father of the Republic (I say "intellectual"' in the sense that John Locke himself passed away in 1704, several decades before 1776. Though his voice was heard very clearly through his published works. Make no mistake, it was a dead Englishman, the devout Christian political philosopher, John Locke, who lit the fuse of the American Revolutionary War, then effectively drafted the new republic's Constitution.




I have no doubt that the Founding Fathers of America wanted future citizens of the republic to be white Anglo-Americans or stock descended from North-Western Europe and Christians, because The Founders themselves, were Anglo-American Protestants - most of the 52 Founders were likely the descendants of English Puritans, and during the Revolutionary era, something like 90% of the population of the American colonies was Anglo-American Protestant, all of whom firmly believed in the Christian "Natural Law" theory. Given this, there is a curious passage in the Constitution that I will transcribe below....




US CONSTITUTION: ARTICLE VI, CLAUSE 3....




"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of several State Legislatures, and all Executive and Judicial officers, both of the United States and the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support the Constitution: BUT NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED AS A QUALIFICATION TO ANY OFFICE OR PUBLIC TRUST UNDER THE UNITED STATES."




The upshot of this clause of the Constitution is that it allow individuals like Ihan Omar, who is a Muslim, to be seated in Congress. A Muslim, like Ilhan Omar, is a member of the religion of Islam, and Islam is an inherently violent and expansionist "religion. It is better understood , in fact, as a type of fascist, totalitarian political ideology.Moreover, Islam has a legal system known as Sharia Law whose cruel and barbaric (medieval) punishments include: execution (by such primitive means as stoning to death in public, and for such crimes as "apostacy"), amputation of hands and/or feet, public whipping/floggings/beatings. Polygamy is legal for men, any woman not wearing a Hijab can be lawfully raped, women who commit adultery are executed;women can be lawfully raped and beaten by their husbands, and have no rights to education or many other basic human rights under Sharia Law. ISLAM is NOT a RELIGON OF PEACE Muhammad, was a blood-thirsty psychopath would waged almost 90 major battle. He is known to have personally beheaded HUNDREDS of prisoners taken (during a battle) in a single session. Muhammad was also a pedophile who married a 12 year old year. He preached "the sword" and lived by "the sword". His life's mission was to converts the world's infidel (an infidel was any person who did not worship Allah as a muslim) Muhammad preached that infidels must convert to Islam,or, pay a specified tax, or be executed Lastly, Muslims do not like ANYTHING about America (to put it mildly). In places like Iran, America is called "the Great Satan" and Death to America" has been chanted by Iranian mobs at potitical demonstrations for many years.




President Trump was right to place a travel ban on Muslims from violent States known to have been engaged in terrorism, etc; travelling to America. It is a shame that he did not have the opportunity to ban ALL Muslims from entering America on a permanent basis.




There are FOUR Muslims in Congress at present. Given they all hate America (the Constitutional republic) and seek to harm America. WTF is going on ?. Why are they not kicked out of Congress immediately (?) - all it would take is for Article VI, Clause III of the Constitution to be expunged. What's left of the native, White (European) people (still accounts for 60% of the US national population) - would absolutely endorse such a change if the question were put to a national referendum (plebescite).





WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDERS AND FRAMERS (OF THE US CONSTITUTION) THINK IF THEY COULD SEE AMERICA AS IT IS TODAY?





Thats an easy question to answer - they would be shocked and appalled to the core when they saw what had been done to their plan for a great new republic. Then they would probably get really ANGRY. I can imagine Benjamin Franklin shouting:"Who are the bastards responsible for this?! Alexander Hamilton would just say, in disbelief :"You're f**king joking ?!", when BLM, CRT (and transgenderism) were explained to him. If George Washington was taken to the Southern Border and briefed on the current situation re illegal immigration, I think he would faint; the diabolical reality would simply be too much for his mind to cope with. When he regained consciousness, I think Washington would need to be physically restrained from galloping to Delaware, hunting down Biden, and giving him "a taste of cold steel."






What could honestly be said to these Founders and Framers who had arrived in America in 2023, by way of explaining the monumental BALLS-UP that America's political leadership (in the modern era) had made of their great vision . The only thing I could think to sat to them would be something like this....





Yes... we f**ked up your vision for a great new republic. It wasn't your fault in any way. The Founding documents: the"Declaration" and theConstitution/Bill of Rights were pretty much "good as gold" and from the late 18th - century - let's say, 1790 - to 1965, everything was sweet as a nut - better - America took off like a rocket, the US was the most advanced and powerful of all the Western nation. In 1965, the only social problems were to do with African-Americans (former slaves) In 1865, a President called Abraham Lincoln tried to repatriate former African slave, but he was assassinated and his deportation project never became a reality. This subsequently resulted in an inordinate amount of social and political strife, which is ongoing today. But if you want to know why America is in the state it currently is, the answer is immigration policy. On October 3rd, 1965, a left-progressive President named Lyndon Baines Johnson signed what was/is called the "Hart-Celler Immigration Act into Law." The Hart-Celler Act opened America's border to immigration from the coloured Third World. In 1965, White Western Europeans made up over 85% of America's population; today in 2023 the percentage of the nations population who are White (from Northe-West European stock) has fallen to below 60%, and is predicted to continue declining until the White (European) population becomes a (politically) powerless minority at some point later in this century. As the non-white percentage of the American population steadily increased after 1965, the more vision of America as a constitutional repbublic began to unravel. I think this is because the "Declaration" and the "Constitution" were documents developed BY and FOR for the White Western mind The values and principles in the Founding document can only ever strike a true chord/ fully resonate in the mind and spirit of the White individual who is descended from forebears in the far North - Western region os Europe. To the Black African; the Australian Aboriginal, the Cuban the Hispanic/latino; Arab and Asian (Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc), the words of the "Declaration of Independence", when recited, to them, are merely the sound of a "clanging cymbal". They are essentially meaningless for coloured immigrants from the 3rd -World, especially given that many who arrived in the US had little education and many were unable to speak English. There are some coloured immigrants and African-American who are able to genuinely grap the moral , legal and political principles that America was founded on, but this is only possible for those with a relatively high IQ. For instance, the average IQ of the African-American is 85 points- and that relatively low compared to White Americans. The upshot is that most of the Black Americans do not genuinely understand the the moral, legal and political tents in the Founding documents. They don't understand them, and they are therefore not interested in them, and basically couldn't give a hairy rat's ass about the meaning of "America" as you gentlemen understood it.




THE FOUNDING FATHERS REPLY...




(Benjamin Franklin) "But we SAID back in 1790, that the citizens of this country must be White. You were - and are - not that foolish to understand, this was a tacit endorsement for a future America whose citizens we to be White, Anglo-American (or North-Western European descended American) AND Christian or, at least amenable to the basic precepts of Christian morality?!"




(George Washington)" How was this fellow Lyndon Baines Johnson allowed to get away with passing the "Hart-Celler" Act into Law? And who is this scoundrel, Biden? Good God - the fool has left the Southern Border open and there are a thousand Black vagabonds and their piccaninies pouring across it every hour! Dammit ! Damn it ! I won the Revolutionary War in this country, young man, and I demand some explanations ! Why hasn't this scoundrel Biden been arrested for treason ! And why in God's name is the Vice President of this republic a "darkie" - have you people gone "barking mad"?




(Thomas Jefferson) I quite agree, George, this is an outrage. (And) could someone explain for me why the Transport Secretary is a sodomite but is somehow legally married to another sodomite? By Jove, I've never heard anything like it in my life. moral turpitude of the highest order, Sir, that's what it is, dammit, and it's taking place in the republic I helped to Found. And if that were not enough - there is a former male Admiral of the navy masquerading as a woman - and it's a damn ugly sight it is I tell ye -who is a member of the Cabinet (and no doubt a dem "backgammon-player". I never seen anything like it- never even in a French bawdy-house, Sir !




(John Jay) Ay, Thomas, and that is not the end of it, my friend. I am told that children in public schools are now taught that every White man in America is a wicked scoundrel who must bow in humble deference before any common Sambo he encounters, like a dem fart-catcher ! (And) the very same absurd and evil doctrine teaches native, white youth in America that they must forsake their own nation as it was founded in hatred and cruelty. In its place, I hear, there is to be a Darkie Empire established, and on the very soil that our brave boys fought to win in the Revolution !




(George Washington) OUTRAGEOUS !! I heard enough ! Young man, have a servant fetch me, "Blueskin," to this building (one of Washington's favourite battle-horses - a beautiful, roan blue/white Arabian stallion) and m'Bailey as well ! (this is the famous sword - "The Bailey Silver and Ivory-Hilted Cutto" - that Washington used during the American Revolutionary War. Apart from being a lethal weapon, this sword is renowned for its aesthetic excellence. It is a truly beautiful work of art).



(Thomas Jefferson) "I hope ye be not contemplating a rash action, George ?"



(George Washington) 'Tis my intention to ride "Blueskin" to Delaware and challege that addle-pated, piddling, muck-spout Joseph Biden to a duel of swords on the field of honour. The dem poltroon is an insult to this country and I tell ye I'll slit the laggard's gizzard for him and have his guts for garters. For it seems a clear case to me to me that white America, in the year 2023, has lost all hope; has committed that most unforgivable os sins - that ofdespair They do nothing to stop the invasion of their own land by hordes of savages who - flood unbridled and unrestrained - through their own Southern Border. Well, I'll not sit back and watch my republic destroyed in broad daylight - not while there's a breath of like in me! Ah, there's "Blueskin". Gentlemen, I have business to attend to.I bid thee fare-well, and shall return to Washington anon.



George Washington is seen galloping off towards Delaware on "Blueskin", lofting his "Baily" high and mighty in his right hand.



(Stay tuned for the exciting conclusion in post #2.)



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They sure as shit wouldn't think 2 people of the same sex could be "married" and that someone with a penis is a woman. If you believe that then you're more fucking retarded than I imagined and I imagine you to already be VERY retarded.
 
the framers warned against what has happened, tried to make it impossible but when the Constitution get routinely ignored by all three branches of govt, it was all moot.

power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
the framers warned against what has happened, tried to make it impossible but when the Constitution get routinely ignored by all three branches of govt, it was all moot.

power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This is spot on
 
Diversity will make us stronger. But, you people who think male, white, Protestant (or religious)...are what make us stronger are unable to see that.

Your loss, RB.

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In that case, Frank, I take it you would have not problem with allowing millions of Muslims from the Middle East and African states like Nigeria or Somalia or those from, say, Afghanistan to pour into America. As for these Muslims, they would be delighted, because they regard the US as "the Great Satan" and they have a name for Americans like you which is:"Kaffir" or "infidel". When they moved into your neighbourhood, Frank" they would offer you one choice - EITHER convert to Islam and obey Sharia law OR we' cut your head off with a steak knife. That's called "jihad", and you wouldn't be able to have 23 - year-old American girlie social-worker come to sort out the problem for you, because they only listen to what Allah has commanded in the Koran. (And) that is is Frankie doesn't agree to convert to Islam, then you are to cut the bastard's head off on the spot.


How's that for "Diversity, Frankie?
 
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In that case, Frank, I take it you would have not problem with allowing millions of Muslims from the Middle East and African states like Nigeria or Somalia or those from Afghanistan to pour into America. As for these Muslims, they would be delighted, because they regard the US as "the Great Satan" and they have a name for Americans like you which is:"Kaffir" or "infidel". When they moved into your neighbourhood, Frank" they would offer you one choice - EITHER convert to Islam and obey Sharia law OR we' cut your head off with a steak knife.


How's that for "Diversity, Frankie?

Sorry you have to think like that, Moron...but anything to rationalize your MAGA worthlessness.
 
Diversity is destroying America.

Muslims believe that Sharia Law should be the law of the land.

Sharia Law is in direct conflict with the Constitution.

Mexican, Central and South American males believe sex with 12 year olds is just swell.

These people are not the type of citizens that Americans want in this country.

This is our country, not theirs. We get to determine the type of people that we allow into America.
 
Diversity is destroying America.

Muslims believe that Sharia Law should be the law of the land.

Sharia Law is in direct conflict with the Constitution.

Mexican, Central and South American males believe sex with 12 year olds is just swell.

These people are not the type of citizens that Americans want in this country.

This is our country, not theirs. We get to determine the type of people that we allow into America.

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The point is you seem to have many blindspots in your judgement.

The real point, Ass, is that YOU have blind spots in your judgement that require you to think that I have blind spots in mine.

You are just wrong. You are part of the MAGA movement...a disgusting undertaking that will live in infamy in the history of America.
 
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