Are all men are created equal?

[Jarod]

“We hold these truths to be self evident… that all men are created equal.”

Do you believe this is true?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

 

[BidenPresident]

“We hold these truths to be self evident… that all men are created equal.”

Do you believe this is true?

Wow. Hate to be a sticker (not really), but created? All men and women equal at birth? Yes.

 

[Jarod]

Wow. Hate to be a sticker (not really), but created? All men and women equal at birth? Yes.

So a baby born with a defective heart is equal to a healthy baby?

 

[BidenPresident]

So a baby born with a defective heart is equal to a healthy baby?

I always understood that statement as all people born are given equal treatment by the law. Very idealistic.

 

[Jarod]

I always understood that statement as all people born are given equal treatment by the law. Very idealistic.

I tend to agree with you, but that’s not what it says

 

[Pointgold]

“We hold these truths to be self evident… that all men are created equal.”

Do you believe this is true?

No.

 

[BidenPresident]

I tend to agree with you, but that’s not what it says

Good point. We know that someone born into a very wealthy family tends to get benefits those born into even a middle class family does not get.

 

[Jarod]

I tend to agree with you, but that’s not what it says

If those who wrote that believe black men were created equal?

 

[Jarod]

Good point. We know that someone born into a very wealthy family tends to get benefits those born into even a middle class family does not get.

Maybe it was/is inspirational?

 

[AProudLefty]

Equal under Creator and laws.

 

[Jarod]

Equal under Creator and laws.

But is/was that true in 1776?

Is it self evident?

 

[AProudLefty]

But is/was that true in 1776?

Nope. Only wealthy white men are equal.

 

[BidenPresident]

Maybe it was/is inspirational?

Reminds me of what they said during the Reagan era. God only helps those He already helped.

 

[Cypress]

“We hold these truths to be self evident… that all men are created equal.”

Do you believe this is true?

Jefferson was expressing a 18th century vision of natural law.

The rest of that declaration says that all men are endowed by their creator with certain natural rights, which include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So I think equality was meant by Jefferson in the enlightenment sense that everyone had a right to live, a right to liberty, and a right to pursue a flourishing life.


It didn't mean everyone had the same political, social, or economic rights.

 

[Jarod]

Ok what about this….

“that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights“

 

[BidenPresident]

Jefferson was expressing a 18th century vision of natural law.

The rest of that declaration says that all men are endowed by their creator by certain natural rights, which include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So I think equality was meant by Jefferson in the enlightenment sense that everyone had a right to live, a right to liberty, and a right to pursue a flourishing life.


It didn't mean everyone had the same political, social, or economic rights.

Make "all men created equal" pretty meaningless.

 

[evince]

So a baby born with a defective heart is equal to a healthy baby?

Yes


Equal under the law

 

[Jarod]

Yes


Equal under the law

I agree that’s what it was supposed to mean, but that is not what it says. And it was not what they created.

 

[Jarod]

Is the right to freedom unalienable?