If a deficit falls in the forest …

FUCK THE POLICE

911 EVERY DAY
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/if-a-deficit-falls-in-the-forest/


If a deficit falls in the forest …



Matt Yglesias makes a good point:
A lot of politicians and political operatives in DC are very impressed by polling that shows people concerned about the budget deficit. I think it would be really politically insane for people to take that too literally. If congress makes the deficit even bigger in a way that helps spur recovery, then come election day people will notice the recovery and be happy. If, by contrast, the labor market is still a disaster then people will be pissed off. It’s true that they might say they’re pissed off at the deficit, but the underlying source of anger is the objective bad conditions.
But the political argument against focusing on the deficit is even stronger than he realizes — because there are very good odds that even if Obama exhibited iron fiscal discipline, voters wouldn’t notice. There’s a remarkable, depressing paper by Achen and Bartels that includes an analysis of voter views of the deficit in 1996 — by which time the huge deficit that Bill Clinton inherited had been drastically reduced. Here’s what voters thought they knew:
voters_deficit.png
American Political Science Association
Yep: after one of the biggest moves toward budget balance in history, a majority of Republicans, and a plurality of all voters, believed that deficits had increased.
Not to put too fine a point on it: if Obama succeeded in reducing the deficit, would Fox News or the Washington Times report it?
The truth is that the truth about budgets plays almost no role in real politics. Right now, Meg Whitman is campaigning for Governor of California on the claim that state spending has exploded over the last decade — when the fact is that it has fallen drastically in real per capita terms. Will she pay a price for this? Probably not.
So if I were a politician, I’d focus on providing real improvements in peoples’ lives, rather than seeking deficit reductions the public won’t even hear about.
 
This is true. People don't mind debt if they have jobs. They think they will eventually pay it off as long as they have job to go to. That's how we've been trained.

But take away the jobs with globalization idiocy, and everything changes.:good4u:
 
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/if-a-deficit-falls-in-the-forest/


If a deficit falls in the forest …



Matt Yglesias makes a good point:
A lot of politicians and political operatives in DC are very impressed by polling that shows people concerned about the budget deficit. I think it would be really politically insane for people to take that too literally. If congress makes the deficit even bigger in a way that helps spur recovery, then come election day people will notice the recovery and be happy. If, by contrast, the labor market is still a disaster then people will be pissed off. It’s true that they might say they’re pissed off at the deficit, but the underlying source of anger is the objective bad conditions.
But the political argument against focusing on the deficit is even stronger than he realizes — because there are very good odds that even if Obama exhibited iron fiscal discipline, voters wouldn’t notice. There’s a remarkable, depressing paper by Achen and Bartels that includes an analysis of voter views of the deficit in 1996 — by which time the huge deficit that Bill Clinton inherited had been drastically reduced. Here’s what voters thought they knew:
voters_deficit.png
American Political Science Association
Yep: after one of the biggest moves toward budget balance in history, a majority of Republicans, and a plurality of all voters, believed that deficits had increased.
Not to put too fine a point on it: if Obama succeeded in reducing the deficit, would Fox News or the Washington Times report it?
The truth is that the truth about budgets plays almost no role in real politics. Right now, Meg Whitman is campaigning for Governor of California on the claim that state spending has exploded over the last decade — when the fact is that it has fallen drastically in real per capita terms. Will she pay a price for this? Probably not.
So if I were a politician, I’d focus on providing real improvements in peoples’ lives, rather than seeking deficit reductions the public won’t even hear about.

And this is what politics has come to, a big freaking circle jerk. It's all about getting elected again, rather than doing what is right for the country. We won't be able to sustain much longer if we keep plunging the deficit further and further into the ground. Then people will vote Republican when it becomes a real problem. The circle continues as we dive further and further.

All the while, lobbyists take over, and neither party is less guilty of allowing them to infiltrate. Boy, do our politicians like money, they could just give two shits about you or me.
 
And this is what politics has come to, a big freaking circle jerk. It's all about getting elected again, rather than doing what is right for the country. We won't be able to sustain much longer if we keep plunging the deficit further and further into the ground. Then people will vote Republican when it becomes a real problem. The circle continues as we dive further and further.

It won't become a real problem for another 20 years or so. The Democrats will never get blamed for it because they'll both be in and out of power in that time. Why should we do something so that the Republcians can get rewarded for it? We lower the deficit, THANKS REPUBLICANS! We raise the deficit, THANKS REPUBLICANS! No point in doing it.
 
You wouldn't lower the deficit even if you got credit for it. The democrats are just as corrupt as the Republicans. That being said, if the democrats really gave ashit about the country, they would do what's right regardless of who got the credit. Don't count on either party fixing shit.

We won't get public healthcare anytime soon either because of the lobbyists who really control government. Not that I want it, I'd rather keep as much power away from politicians as possible.
 
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