India is a natural ally in the new Cold War

anatta said:
basically what I said -except India is not going to align against China -Quad or not.

Why does your team always mistake splitting Russia from China as making Russia our "friend"
You even seem to understand the "Nixon China card" it's the SAME THING - so why the wilful ignorance?

Oh and now the next thing will be "you are an isolationist" which is more BS.
Think getting into a war where it benefits the USA - the Ukraine war does not.
In fact it diverts resources, money, weapons and intelligence AWAY from China
which is the real existential threat -not Russia
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So saying that you supposedly didn't want to Vlad to be our friend, but we also don't want him to be friends with China sounds like something out of high school, and is so nebulous and unfocused as a proposition as to be practically meaningless.

I don't think there's any doubt you invested substantial time on this board claiming we should somehow approach the pathological liar Vlad Putin in a scheme to use Russia to counterbalance China.

I told you two years ago that not only was Russia a fading military and economic power, but the dictator Vlad Putin could never be trusted.

Your idea was to cozy up to Vlad.

My idea was to cultivate a strategic partnership with the emerging superpower India, which makes a lot more sense than your Russia idea.

That doesn't mean we are going to have a military alliance with India. It means we could cooperate with them on counterterrorism, nuclear proliferation, Islamic extremists, and offsetting China's soft power.
 
Cypress said:
The US has ASSISTED
That doesn't mean we are going to have a military alliance with India. It means we could cooperate with them on counterterrorism, nuclear proliferation, Islamic extremists, and offsetting China's soft power.
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The US has ASSISTED nuclear proliferation in India- against US law. More hypocrisy, bugler.
 
Cypress said:
So saying that you supposedly didn't want to Vlad to be our friend, but we also don't want him to be friends with China sounds like something out of high school, and is so nebulous and unfocused as a proposition as to be practically meaningless.
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it's the same thing as the Nixon China card -reversed.."meaningless" is in your head.
it worked well until NATO expansion forced Russia out of a multipolar world into the Sino orbit

I don't think there's any doubt you invested substantial time on this board claiming we should somehow approach the pathological liar Vlad Putin in a scheme to use Russia to counterbalance China.

I told you two years ago that not only was Russia a fading military and economic power, but the dictator Vlad Putin could never be trusted.
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realpolitik doesnt involve "trust".
Nations act on their own best interest. Russia has always had an extractive based economy.
But we could have quit NATO expansion, mindless sanctions, and brought Russia into the western economy.
Bullheaded "Vlad is a dictator" thought like yours feeds right into the Russiaphobia hawks -
war in Ukraine is the outcome instead of western integration (multipolarism - not monopolarism)

Your idea was to cozy up to Vlad.
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LMAO

My idea was to cultivate a strategic partnership with the emerging superpower India, which makes a lot more sense than your Russia idea.
That doesn't mean we are going to have a military alliance with India. It means we could cooperate with them on counterterrorism, nuclear proliferation, Islamic extremists, and offsetting China's soft power.
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nothing wrong with that in general, except India wants to be non-alighned.

as to soft power ; while India is not part of One Belt, it's largest trading partner is China
so i have no idea what you mean by "countering China's soft power"
 
anatta said:
it's the same thing as the Nixon China card -reversed.."meaningless" is in your head.
it worked well until NATO expansion forced Russia out of a multipolar world into the Sino orbit

realpolitik doesnt involve "trust".
Nations act on their own best interest. Russia has always had an extractive based economy.
But we could have quit NATO expansion, mindless sanctions, and brought Russia into the western economy.
Bullheaded "Vlad is a dictator" thought like yours feeds right into the Russiaphobia hawks -
war in Ukraine is the outcome instead of western integration (multipolarism - not monopolarism)

LMAO

nothing wrong with that in general, except India wants to be non-alighned.

as to soft power ; while India is not part of One Belt, it's largest trading partner is China
so i have no idea what you mean by "countering China's soft power"
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Here's the moral of the story.

Two years ago your idea was for the United States to cozy up to Russia and pursue a strategic partnership with them. We now know Russia is utterly corrupt, their word can't be trusted, and real time data from Ukraine show Russia is a fading global military and economic power.

Two years ago my idea was to cultivate a strategic partnership with India, an emerging 21st century global superpower destined to surpass Russia by mid century -- and a nation which not only shares our democratic traditions, but also shares our concerns about the spread of Chinese strategic influence and soft power.

I stand by the premise that my idea was substantially better than your idea.
 
Cypress said:
Here's the moral of the story.

Two years ago your idea was for the United States to cozy up to Russia and pursue a strategic partnership with them. We now know Russia is utterly corrupt, their word can't be trusted, and real time data from Ukraine show Russia is a fading global military and economic power.

Two years ago my idea was to cultivate a strategic partnership with India, an emerging 21st century global superpower destined to surpass Russia by mid century -- and a nation which not only shares our democratic traditions, but also shares our concerns about the spread of Chinese strategic influence and soft power.

I stand by the premise that my idea was substantially better than your idea.
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i gave you a much better answer then this -and "cozy up" is a loaded term for respecting Russian redlines
while also supporting a neutral Ukraine. That was blown up by the west (so called predicate) and the Ukriane invasion is the result.

As I mentioned I have no idea how you split India away from China trade -which is how China accomplishes soft power. That and offering development to say Africa.
What role can India play here> none I can see.

India is concerned about Kashmir -i dont see it too worried about China otherwise, and as mentioned the Quad is fine for what it is, but it's not really being used except on paper - so any military alliance
( other then perhaps matters of convenience) isnt going to happen
 
anatta said:
i gave you a much better answer then this -and "cozy up" is a loaded term for respecting Russian redlines
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Would a redline be faking that you got an unsolicited mail-in ballot to try and interfere in the 2020 election by using Russian Active Measures?
 
LV426 said:
Would a redline be faking that you got an unsolicited mail-in ballot to try and interfere in the 2020 election by using Russian Active Measures?
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still brain dead I see. no that's not a red line - your ignorance is overwhelming
 
anatta said:
i gave you a much better answer then this -and "cozy up" is a loaded term for respecting Russian redlines
while also supporting a neutral Ukraine. That was blown up by the west (so called predicate) and the Ukriane invasion is the result.

As I mentioned I have no idea how you split India away from China trade -which is how China accomplishes soft power. That and offering development to say Africa.
What role can India play here> none I can see.

India is concerned about Kashmir -i dont see it too worried about China otherwise, and as mentioned the Quad is fine for what it is, but it's not really being used except on paper - so any military alliance
( other then perhaps matters of convenience) isnt going to happen
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Trade doesn't make India a potential ally of China.

If that's what trade did, then we would be China's biggest ally on the planet.

India considers China a regional rival in a way that it does not consider the USA.

What damaged our reputation with India was George Dumbya Bush cozying up to Pakistan and Nixon cozying up to China. At least that was a big part of it.

No one is asking or expecting India to join NATO.

What can be expected is for the USA to cultivate a strategic partnership with a fellow democracy, namely India, to offset Chinese geostrategic goals and soft power.


The bottom line is that you spent years promoting Russia and the idea we should cozy up to them.

With Russia's armed forces lying in smouldering ruins on the steppes of Ukraine, and their economy set for decades of stagnation and contraction, your relentless promotion of Russia as a potential key strategic partner looks pretty foolish.

On the other hand, my idea of cultivating a strategic partnership with the emerging 21st century superpower India looks pretty prescient. It certainly looks like a better idea than your relentless promotion of Russia.
 
Cypress said:
Trade doesn't make India a potential ally of China.

If that's what trade did, then we would be China's biggest ally on the planet.

India considers China a regional rival in a way that it does not consider the USA.

What damaged our reputation with India was George Dumbya Bush cozying up to Pakistan and Nixon cozying up to China. At least that was a big part of it.

No one is asking or expecting India to join NATO.

What can be expected is for the USA to cultivate a strategic partnership with a fellow democracy, namely India, to offset Chinese geostrategic goals and soft power.


The bottom line is that you spent years promoting Russia and the idea we should cozy up to them.

With Russia's armed forces lying in smouldering ruins on the steppes of Ukraine, and their economy set for decades of stagnation and contraction, your relentless promotion of Russia as a potential key strategic partner looks pretty foolish.

On the other hand, my idea of cultivating a strategic partnership with the emerging 21st century superpower India looks pretty prescient. It certainly looks like a better idea than your relentless promotion of Russia.
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first you say strategic partnership -i addressed that -the quad.
Then you say to counter Chinese soft power. That's mostly trade and infrastructure loans from China to create debtor nations.
I have no idea where you are going to settle on this
 
anatta said:
first you say strategic partnership -i addressed that -the quad.
Then you say to counter Chinese soft power. That's mostly trade and infrastructure loans from China to create debtor nations.
I have no idea where you are going to settle on this
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I'm settling on the fact that for years you relentlessly touted Russia as a profitable strategic partner of the USA, while I was touting India as the most logical 21st century strategic partner of America.

^^That is a vastly different set of assumptions and judgements.

You wanted to hitch our wagon to totalitarian Russia, a fading global military and economic power whose armed forces lie in smouldering ruins on the fields of Ukraine.

I wanted to hitch our wagon to democratic India, an emerging 21st global military and economic superpower, soon to be the world's most populous nation..

If you really wanted to thwart future Chinese global hegemony, you would have reached the same conclusion I did:.

...the road block to unrestrained global Chinese hegemony runs through New Dehli, not through Moscow.
 
Cypress said:
You wanted to hitch our wagon to totalitarian Russia, a fading global military and economic power whose armed forces lie in smouldering ruins on the fields of Ukraine.
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Your ' smouldering ruins ' occupy over 20% of Ukraine, have absorbed Crimea and the pro-Russian Donbas and haven't used the bulk of their air-power, let alone their really heavy weaponry. Your dream-world is going to crash around you, bugler. Your Azov Nazis are approaching extinction.

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Cypress said:
India Is a Natural U.S. Ally in the New Cold War

--- America beat the Soviets by helping democracies get rich. In Asia, it’s high time to revive that approach ---

American strategists, meanwhile, are anxiously—and correctly—keeping a close watch on India’s development. A wealthy, powerful and democratic India would help frustrate China’s hegemonic ambitions and substantially offset Chinese influence in Central Asia, Southeast Asia and Africa. The stronger India becomes the less the U.S. must contribute to a balancing coalition of India, Japan, Australia and Vietnam that keeps Chinese ambitions in check.

In that kind of world, the nascent Washington-Beijing rivalry could fade into the background, and the U.S. could enjoy trade relationships with a rich Asia that posed fewer threats to American security. India’s emergence as an economic superpower would also strengthen the cause of democracy, demonstrating that people don’t have to give up their freedom to thrive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...ural-u-s-ally-in-the-new-cold-war-11590600011


Biggest laugh of the year? -- Deplorables pleading with us to kiss Putin's ass because the Chinese are so scary:
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I agree.

the persistent cultural superiority of mother india makes her a wonderful consort.

but when china starts destroying india's middle class will you speak up?
 
AssHatZombie said:
I agree.

the persistent cultural superiority of mother india makes her a wonderful consort.

but when china starts destroying india's middle class will you speak up?
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^^ My New Year pledge is to spend less time corresponding with mentally ill persons
 
AssHatZombie said:
I agree.

the persistent cultural superiority of mother india makes her a wonderful consort.

but when china starts destroying india's middle class will you speak up?
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Their culture is consistently inferior....they fail to produce.....the exact problem I do not know. I wonder though if the core problem is that they dont have enough psychopaths to do civilization well.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Their culture is consistently inferior....they fail to produce.....the exact problem I do not know. I wonder though if the core problem is that they dont have enough psychopaths to do civilization well.
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Obviously your knowledge of India comes from grainy black and white film footage of malnourished rural Indians shot in the late 1950s.

India's Economic Boom

India is on track to become the world’s third largest economy by 2027, surpassing Japan and Germany, and have the third largest stock market by 2030, thanks to global trends and key investments the country has made in technology and energy.

India is already the fastest-growing economy in the world, having clocked 5.5% average gross domestic product growth over the past decade. Now, three megatrends—global offshoring, digitalization and energy transition—are setting the scene for unprecedented economic growth in the country of more than 1 billion people.

https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/investment-opportunities-in-india
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India is about to pass China as the world's most populous country

India is expected to surpass China and become the world’s most populous nation within the next three months, according to a recent report by the United Nations’ population division, marking a seismic shift on the global stage in a trend with significant social and economic impact for both countries.

“Most people think India's economy is still a fraction of what it could be in the future, which means there's so much promise,” Dr. Audrey Truschke, an associate professor of South Asian History at Rutgers University, told Yahoo News, adding that much of the potential is due in large part to India being “such a young country.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.y...-most-populous-country-billion-215138449.html
 
America's Chinese containment strategy

MAGA's idea: beg the Russian dictator of a fading global military and economic power to be our friend.

My idea: cultivate a strategic relationship with the emerging 21st century superpower of democratic India.
 
Cypress;
My idea: cultivate a strategic relationship with the emerging 21st century superpower of democratic India.
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Day late and a dollar short ?

India looks to rupee trade with Russia

India is hopeful that rupee trade with Russia will pick up after the two sides spoke about facilitating transactions in local currencies, an Indian trade ministry official said.

India has been exploring a rupee trade settlement mechanism with Russia since soon after Moscow invaded Ukraine in February, but the countries have not formalised the rules yet.

But India is looking to enhance exports of electronic items to Russia, Satya Srinivas, a secretary at the trade ministry, told reporters in New Delhi.

The two countries are engaging “at all levels” to resolve issues related to trade barriers and a payments mechanism, he said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...ive-news-russia-belarus-start-military-drills
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' Natural ally ' ?
 
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