India is a natural ally in the new Cold War

Hawkeye10 said:
India is desperate to keep their place as non aligned in this total war between the West and the New Chinese Empire.....but it looks to me like they are edging ever closer to siding with China.....which is 100% caused by Western bad behaviour and the fact that the West is rapidly dying. Remember that being non aligned was also once the Russian plan, but the West completely fucked that up.
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Your judgement on India is as bad as it was on Ukraine.


Relations between India and China have been worsening. The two world powers are facing off against each other along their disputed border in the Himalayan region.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53062484.amp
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India was the victim of colonialism, and they are keen to not be seen as tools of the former colonial powers in the west.

But if a global war breaks out in Asia, democratic India and communist China will not be fighting on the same side.
 
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Cypress said:
Your judgement on India is as bad as it was on Ukraine.




India was the victim of colonialism, and they are keen to not be seen as tools of the former colonial powers in the west.

But if a global war breaks out in Asia, democratic India and communists China will not be fighting on the same side.
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India massively benefited from colonialism, the fact that India cant get their shit together post colonialism is not the Brits fault, and argues that in the end they will have no choice but to fall in line behind China.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
India massively benefited from colonialism, the fact that India cant get their shit together post colonialism is not the Brits fault, and argues that in the end they will have no choice but to fall in line behind China.
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You never prove out to be correct idiot



No one values your predictions
 
Cypress said:
Your judgement on India is as bad as it was on Ukraine.




India was the victim of colonialism, and they are keen to not be seen as tools of the former colonial powers in the west.

But if a global war breaks out in Asia, democratic India and communist China will not be fighting on the same side.
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The only reason India is democratic is because of the British, precious few, if any democracies, left behind by the French, Dutch, Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese and Russian empires. Read Heart of Darkness to find out what the Belgians did in the Congo.

Modi and the BJP have Fascist tendencies, if you'd taken time to study him and hus party you'd know that.
 
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serendipity said:
The only reason India is democratic is because of the British,.
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Horseshit. You're a British imperialist relic, maggot.


The making of the universal franchise was by no means a legacy of colonial rule. Colonial administrators thought that universal franchise was a bad fit for India, and that even if they would have wanted to introduce universal franchise, it would be impossible and impractical administratively.

https://thewire.in/books/india-became-democratic
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The British were forced to allow elements of Indian politics but massacred Indians who attempted to free themselves from British ' democracy '

The Rowlatt Acts were designed to replace the constraints on political activity that had been embodied in colonial rules, known as the Defense of India Rules, which had been in force during World War I.

Not surprisingly, there were widespread public protests, led by the noted Indian nationalist leader, Mahatma Gandhi.

As part of this nationwide agitation, some 10,000 individuals gathered in a park in the northern Indian city of Amritsar on April 13, 1919. Since this protest was in defiance of a curfew which prohibited political gatherings, Brigadier-General Reginald Dyer, who was stationed in the nearby city of Jalandhar, decided to take action.

Troops under his command blocked the sole entrance to the park, called Jallianwallah Bagh. Without warning they opened fire. The British officially estimated that 379 people died. The unofficial count was more. Close to 1,200 were injured.

Dyer’s men stopped firing only after they had run out of ammunition. The soldiers did not offer any medical assistance to the wounded, and others could not come to their aid because of the imposition of a curfew on the city.

https://theconversation.com/british...-later-theres-been-no-official-apology-123434
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You should apologize to the forum , maggot, for attempting to mislead it.
Your country has yet to apologize for its barbaric slaughters of Indian civilians.

Prime Minister Theresa May told the House of Commons that the episode was “a shameful scar on British-Indian history.” However, she had stopped short of apologizing.
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Hawkeye10 said:
India massively benefited from colonialism, the fact that India cant get their shit together post colonialism is not the Brits fault, and argues that in the end they will have no choice but to fall in line behind China.
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Your knowledge of world history in general, and Indian history in particular, seems to be on the level of a second grader.

The United States also benefited from our colonial association with Britain. We are in some real sense the prodigy of their constitutional form of government and their legal system.

That has nothing to do with whether we or the Indians felt we had legitimate grievances against our colonial overlords.

India and China are very nearly in a cold war over the disputed Himalayan border. Flights and military skirmishes routinely break out along the border. You didn't even know that until you read my posts.

India is a democracy and an emerging 21st century super power. If there is ever a global war in Asia, I seriously doubt India is going to meekly line up as China's vassal state.
 
India, China trade crosses $100 billion during January-September 2022
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-75-billion/articleshow/95104203.cms?from=mdr
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India is part of the Quad. Biden had an initial meeting to build on Trump's revival of the Quad -nothing afterwads as far as I know ( in typical Biden fashion)
India and China are at war (Kashmir) -but India sees itself as non-aligned.
India is not part of One Belt One Road, but has extensive trade ties.

In short India plays it down the middle -they aren't a military allie other then the Quad
but I doubt they would join any war in the S China sea -maybe the Indian Ocean
 
anatta said:
India, China trade crosses $100 billion during January-September 2022
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-75-billion/articleshow/95104203.cms?from=mdr
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India is part of the Quad. Biden had an initial meeting to build on Trump's revival of the Quad -nothing afterwads as far as I know ( in typical Biden fashion)
India and China are at war (Kashmir) -but India sees itself as non-aligned.
India is not part of One Belt One Road, but has extensive trade ties.

In short India plays it down the middle -they aren't a military allie other then the Quad
but I doubt they would join any war in the S China sea -maybe the Indian Ocean
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Our trade with China is $1.8 trillion dollars. Does that make us a Chinese ally?

Russia looks even weaker now than when I told you two years ago they were a fading world power destined to be surpassed by India sometime this century.

Russia is bound for decades of economic stagnation and isolation from European and North American markets and capital.

Russia's military has been exposed as utterly subpar and their weapons, tactics, organization, and leadership are nowhere on a par with NATO standards.
 
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Cypress said:
Russia's military has been exposed as utterly subpar and their weapons, tactics, organization, and leadership are nowhere on a par with NATO standards.
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You failed to mention that their sat. navs are sophisticated and their nukes are more powerful and more numerous. Belittle Russia at your peril, bugler. Thus spake Hitler and Napoleon.
 
moon said:
You failed to mention that their sat. navs are sophisticated and their nukes are more powerful and more numerous. Belittle Russia at your peril, bugler. Thus spake Hitler and Napoleon.
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That gets graded an F minus for attempts at historical analogies. You're getting flunked and sent back to the next grade.

Hitler and Napoleon invaded Russia intending total subjugation of the Russian people.

Canada, USA, Belgium, France, Norway, Czechia have never shown the slightest interest in conquering and occupying Russia.


I am certain that two years ago you would have joined Dukkha singing the praises of Russian conventional military excellence, in tanks, aircraft, and organization.

Now that we know how incompetent and ineffective Russian armed forces are, your circle of claims of Russian military superiority has shrunk down to the size of a telephone booth.
 
Cypress said:
Our trade with China is $1.8 trillion dollars. Does that make us a Chinese ally?

Russia looks even weaker now than when I told you two years ago they were a fading world power destined to be surpassed by India sometime this century.

Russia is bound for decades of economic stagnation and isolation from European and North American markets and capital.

Russia's military has been exposed as utterly subpar and their weapons, tactics, organization, and leadership are nowhere on a par with NATO standards.
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Putin bit off far more then he could chew, but the game changer was JAVELIN, which i din't foresee,
and neither did here
Absent Russian armor -yes they can't compete with NATO. If they had tanks available to use
it would have been different outcomes

But trying to use India to stall China is a fools game, just as NATO expansion was a fools game
that forced Russia into a Sino/Russo military block. India is not much use for such -Quad or no Quad
 
Cypress said:
Now that we know how incompetent and ineffective Russian armed forces are, your circle of claims of Russian military superiority has shrunk down to the size of a telephone booth.
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You failed to mention that their sat. navs are sophisticated and their nukes are more powerful and more numerous. Belittle Russia at your peril, bugler. Thus spake Hitler and Napoleon.
 
anatta said:
Putin bit off far more then he could chew, but the game changer was JAVELIN, which i din't foresee,
and neither did here
Absent Russian armor -yes they can't compete with NATO. If they had tanks available to use
it would have been different outcomes

But trying to use India to stall China is a fools game, just as NATO expansion was a fools game
that forced Russia into a Sino/Russo military block. India is not much use for such -Quad or no Quad
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I don't believe in throwing up our hands in exasperation, and despairing that we can never be strategic partners with India.

Things have come a long way since the 1960s, when India was practically a Soviet ally.

India is is not inherently anti-American. India is going to act in it's strategic interests. When Nixon cozied up to China, and George Dumbya cozied up to Pakistan it was naturally going to alarm India, which sees China and Pakistan as it's most dangerous regional adversaries.

I think India and USA basically see generally eye to eye on many strategic issues, we are both democracies, and the Indian diaspora in the USA creates a natural bond between our countries.

Pursuing a strategic partnership with the emerging 21st century superpower India makes lot more sense than your idea of begging the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin to be our friend.
 
Cypress said:
Your knowledge of world history in general, and Indian history in particular, seems to be on the level of a second grader.

The United States also benefited from our colonial association with Britain. We are in some real sense the prodigy of their constitutional form of government and their legal system.

That has nothing to do with whether we or the Indians felt we had legitimate grievances against our colonial overlords.

India and China are very nearly in a cold war over the disputed Himalayan border. Flights and military skirmishes routinely break out along the border. You didn't even know that until you read my posts.

India is a democracy and an emerging 21st century super power. If there is ever a global war in Asia, I seriously doubt India is going to meekly line up as China's vassal state.
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That you start with insults indicates that you are interested in neither conversation nor learning.
 
Cypress said:
I don't believe in throwing up our hands in exasperation, and despairing that we can never be strategic partners with India.

Things have come a long way since the 1960s, when India was practically a Soviet ally.

India is is not inherently anti-American. India is going to act in it's strategic interests. When Nixon cozied up to China, and George Dumbya cozied up to Pakistan it was naturally going to alarm India, which sees China and Pakistan as it's most dangerous regional adversaries.

I think India and USA basically see generally eye to eye on many strategic issues, we are both democracies, and the Indian diaspora in the USA creates a natural bond between our countries.

Pursuing a strategic partnership with the emerging 21st century superpower India makes lot more sense than your idea of begging the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin to be our friend.
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basically what I said -except India is not going to align against China -Quad or not.

Why does your team always mistake splitting Russia from China as making Russia our "friend"
You even seem to understand the "Nixon China card" it's the SAME THING - so why the wilful ignorance?

Oh and now the next thing will be "you are an isolationist" which is more BS.
Think getting into a war where it benefits the USA - the Ukraine war does not.
In fact it diverts resources, money, weapons and intelligence AWAY from China
which is the real existential threat -not Russia
 
India exports 335 billion a year to the US. If you think they want to fuck that up, you are nuts. We are also China's biggest customer. Russia is small time next to us. Corporations and bankers rule the world.
 
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