Two votes. No Speaker.

LV426 said:
OK a few things:

1. Democrats had unified control of Congress and the WH from 2021-2023, are you saying what they did when they were in control was corrupt? If so, how?
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Whereas Manchin/Sinema aren't Dems. it wasn't really unified control. But typically Dems try to do things like feed children, and make sure everyone can see a doctor.

Terrible, terrible actions.

2. I don't know what you mean by "too powerful"; if you have unified control of the WH and Congress, you have unified control because that's what the people wanted. So you want to ignore the will of the people?

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Well, with complete control in '17/'18, Republicans stacked the courts, created massive deficits by removing taxes for corporations, and came within one vote of taking healthcare away from millions.

Damage 'can' be done, but only when Nazis are in charge
 
evince said:
LV is awesome

Stop being a dick
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Prioritizing "being nice" over "the facts" is partly how the United States found itself with a House of Representatives that is paralyzed in electing a Speaker.

You are a friend of LV. I got that. Protecting her from reality is not being a friend. Teaching her about reality is being a friend, evince. You know better.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Prioritizing "being nice" over "the facts" is partly how the United States found itself with a House of Representatives that is paralyzed in electing a Speaker.

You are a friend of LV. I got that. Protecting her from reality is not being a friend. Teaching her about reality is being a friend, evince. You know better.
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Reality is that the Republican Party has been evil for decades


I gave you the cold hard proof


Yet you cling to your early Republican Party indoctrination



Don’t blame us for your shirking of the actual facts Dutch


Face the WHOLE truth
 
evince said:
Reality is that the Republican Party has been evil for decades

I gave you the cold hard proof

Yet you cling to your early Republican Party indoctrination

Don’t blame us for your shirking of the actual facts Dutch

Face the WHOLE truth
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We'll have to agree to disagree on the evilness of any political party which puts its own needs ahead of all Americans.

Another point we can agree to disagree upon is your version of "cold hard proof". :)

Early Republican Party indoctrination? Early like Lincoln or early like growing up with an attitude of "country first"?

If you've ever learned about tells in poker, then you know that people who employ the Royal "we" or its variations are flinching. :)

I do my best every day, evince. Thanks! God bless America! :flagsal:
 
Althea said:
I haven't been watching, but I'm seeing a Dem. long term rep. considering a discussion.

I'm sure you're right about the idiot eventually winning, but the embarrassment is fun to watch.

I'm seeing his backers denounce the 10% of Republicans who are gumming up the works. One NY female rep. was lying her ass off on t.v. last night about how successful Republicans were in retaking the House, when the truth is incompetent NY Dems are responsible in toto.
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No vote after six votes. I'm still thinking they'll break the record. It'll be a great TikTok video when they do. Irony, eh? LOL

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...ing-speaker-after-mccarthy-loses-sixth-ballot
House adjourns without electing a speaker after McCarthy loses sixth ballot
Decision to adjourn until 8 p.m. ET followed unsuccessful negotiation efforts from McCarthy
 
LV426 said:
The problem is if McCarthy wins, he is indebted to all the troglodytes and Nazis who supported him, he isn't indebted to the Democrats and can simply go back on his word if there's any kind of power sharing agreement.

Once he becomes speaker, he can throw that agreement out at any time.

This is the Nazis' problem to solve, Democrats shouldn't do a damn thing.
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Agreed. So what happens over the next two years? Who will American voters hold accountable in 2024 and why?
 
LV426 said:
Right: I think all gay people should be murdered

Left: I don't.

Centrist: Guys, guys...can't we compromise? Maybe just SOME gay people should be murdered.

Conservative: I can live with that.

Left: I cannot.

Centrist: See, the Left is extreme, they never want to compromise in the middle.
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Translation: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A COMMON SENSE COMPROMISE!!!

Smart people should be able to figure out smart solutions, LV. :)
 
Althea said:
If he fails again tomorrow three times, he's tied for the record?
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That's my understanding. If they do another one, much less three, it's a new record. I'm thinking at least 15 or some changes...which I have no idea what they would be.

FWIW, Jeffries has consistently won the most votes (212). Like McCarthy, he just didn't have enough to break 218. If 6 Republicans crossed the aisle, Jeffries would become Speaker.

Besides committing political, and probable suicide-by-nutjob, why would any of the 222 House Republicans do such a thing?

All of them put party first, country second, right?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
That's my understanding. If they do another one, much less three, it's a new record. I'm thinking at least 15 or some changes...which I have no idea what they would be.

FWIW, Jeffries has consistently won the most votes (212). Like McCarthy, he just didn't have enough to break 218. If 6 Republicans crossed the aisle, Jeffries would become Speaker.

Besides committing political, and probable suicide-by-nutjob, why would any of the 222 House Republicans do such a thing?

All of them put party first, country second, right?
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There are a few things at work, and I'm not sure I understand all of them.

By voting 'present', it lowers the number of votes needed for a majority. Every 'present' vote essentially lowers to number in the voting pool. Some members might do that to let McCarthy sneak in, but what I don't understand is if the lowered number also makes it easier for Jeffries to win?

I too thought about a small handful of Republicans jumping ship, but I don't see it happening. They're just trying to fuck with McCarthy, but they certainly can't get away with handing the govt. over to Democrats.
 
Althea said:
There are a few things at work, and I'm not sure I understand all of them.

By voting 'present', it lowers the number of votes needed for a majority. Every 'present' vote essentially lowers to number in the voting pool. Some members might do that to let McCarthy sneak in, but what I don't understand is if the lowered number also makes it easier for Jeffries to win?

I too thought about a small handful of Republicans jumping ship, but I don't see it happening. They're just trying to fuck with McCarthy, but they certainly can't get away with handing the govt. over to Democrats.
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He needs 218. No votes can lower the vote needed.. They make the pool smaller. The Trumpian pro-insurrectionists are still trying to tear the country down. The Dems cannot get 218 either. The members cannot be sworn in. They cannot get committee assignments. No house politics can happen. The first concession Kevin made was to promise to eliminate the ethics committee. That pleased the Repubs. Now some are promising to vote for him if they can decide their committee assignments. That is one of the speaker's powers. He does not want to give that up.
 
Nordberg said:
He needs 218. No votes can lower the vote needed.. They make the pool smaller. The Trumpian pro-insurrectionists are still trying to tear the country down. The Dems cannot get 218 either. The members cannot be sworn in. They cannot get committee assignments. No house politics can happen. The first concession Kevin made was to promise to eliminate the ethics committee. That pleased the Repubs. Now some are promising to vote for him if they can decide their committee assignments. That is one of the speaker's powers. He does not want to give that up.
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What happens if Reps stop showing up?
 
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