Two votes. No Speaker.

[LV426]

It's important to have a balance of power to prevent one side or the other from becoming too powerful and, therefore, too corrupt.

That's nice in fantasyland but the reality is that we don't get bipartisanship with centrism, we only get dysfunction.

I think that dysfunction is the goal of centrists so that they can use it as an excuse to destroy the mutli-racial, pluralistic democracy.

It's no surprise that the overwhelming majority of "centrists" are mediocre white people who are threatened by the rise of a multi-racial, pluralistic democracy which removes their status as self-proclaimed moral arbiters.

In the end, most centrists are more partisan than either political party.

You may say you're a centrist, but you act like a partisan.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The solution to this problem is very, very, very fucking simple; make it illegal to accept anything other than public campaign financing.

The only reason our system is dominated by two parties is because of how our elections are financed.

If you remove the private money from election campaigns and create a level playing field with equal public campaign financing, suddenly politicians have to raise VOTES and not MONEY.

The reason our system is broken, and the reason Nazis were able to take over the GOP, is because they had the money to do it.

Right now, most politicians spend most of their time around wealthy people who fund their campaigns, and that is why they hardly ever produce legislation that solely benefits the working class. I read somewhere that elected reps and Senators spend as much as 90% of their time raising money and not attending committee hearings, not drafting legislation, not even showing up to vote.

You can get the Nazis out of government by cutting off their funding.

Oh, and the other solution is to shut down Fox News. If I were a billionaire like Musk, I'd buy Fox News just to shut it down.

I completely agree with campaign finance reform. I also fully support term limit reform and a mandatory, shortened campaign season.

Musk is more Trumper than Democrat. He's more likely to make Fox more radical than shut it down.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That's nice in fantasyland but the reality is that we don't get bipartisanship with centrism, we only get dysfunction.

I think that dysfunction is the goal of centrists so that they can use it as an excuse to destroy the mutli-racial, pluralistic democracy.

It's no surprise that the overwhelming majority of "centrists" are mediocre white people who are threatened by the rise of a multi-racial, pluralistic democracy which removes their status as self-proclaimed moral arbiters.

In the end, most centrists are more partisan than either political party.

You may say you're a centrist, but you act like a partisan.

Enjoy the status quo, Ms. LV.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What if one side has already been corrupted by Nazis and fascists?

You're saying they provide balance?

What balance are they providing, and why do you think Nazis should have even a modicum of power?

That's the purpose of the second party; to keep the Nazis from taking over. Under your plan, there'd be no opposition in a single-party system.

 

[LV426]

I completely agree with campaign finance reform. I also fully support term limit reform and a mandatory, shortened campaign season.

I think the public campaign financing will solve the term limit issue without having to pass any other reforms. After all, in public campaign financing, a politician is held to a higher standard than if they are just out there raising money and attending fundraisers. It also forces them to be visible and accessible to their constituents. So they will HAVE to hold town halls because if they don't, no one will vote for them.

The money insulates them right now, so they don't feel like they have to answer to any of us.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I agreee, in the end, a weakened McCarthy is the best choice for the liberals goals.

Better for Americans if both parties can come together and fix national problems.

 

[LV426]

Enjoy the status quo, Ms. LV.

For the last 23 years, whenever there has been divided control of government, nothing beneficial gets done and we constantly run up against the debt ceiling, threatening to tear down the global economy.

No legislation gets passed, no appointments get filled, government stalls and grinds to a halt while other problems arise that require attention, but government can't react to it because it's wholly dysfunctional due to divided government.

And if a government is dysfunctional, it can't effectively respond to crises that arise...like COVID.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I think the public campaign financing will solve the term limit issue without having to pass any other reforms. After all, in public campaign financing, a politician is held to a higher standard than if they are just out there raising money and attending fundraisers. It also forces them to be visible and accessible to their constituents. So they will HAVE to hold town halls because if they don't, no one will vote for them.

The money insulates them right now, so they don't feel like they have to answer to any of us.

Under the current system, campaigning for 2024 begins later this month.

 

[LV426]

That's the purpose of the second party; to keep the Nazis from taking over.

But one of those parties are Nazis already, so....

 

[Dutch Uncle]

For the last 23 years, whenever there has been divided control of government, nothing beneficial gets done and we constantly run up against the debt ceiling, threatening to tear down the global economy.

No legislation gets passed, no appointments get filled, government stalls and grinds to a halt while other problems arise that require attention, but government can't react to it because it's wholly dysfunctional due to divided government.

And if a government is dysfunctional, it can't effectively respond to crises that arise...like COVID.

Agreed, hence my point about your strategy of "my way or the highway". Extremists never compromise, therefore nothing gets done.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

But one of those parties are Nazis already, so....

You're free to lie. All extremists do it. The RWers call Lefties socialists and marxists.

 

[LV426]

TUnder your plan, there'd be no opposition in a single-party system.

You obviously have never looked deep into how dysfunctional the Democratic party is, and how it even fractured itself 13 years ago.

But you've never answered the question beyond canards: Why is unified Democratic control of WH and Congress a bad thing?

You said "absolute power corrupts absolutely", but you obviously forgot about the Supreme Court, the other branch of government, which the Democrats do not control.

So again, why is unified control of the WH and Congress a bad thing if Democrats achieve it, like they did for the last two years?

 

[Jarod]

No he isn't.

The best choice is Jeffries, and we should be leaning on Conservatives to vote for him, not on liberals to help out Nazis.

No liberals should offer any help, any refuge, any sanctuary to the people who called them groomers for a year and who attacked the Capitol over the stupidest lie ever told.

Ok, I should have that he was the best possible in this situation.

 

[LV426]

Under the current system, campaigning for 2024 begins later this month.

Yeah, that's absurd. It's going to be the most expensive election ever. Billions of dollars thrown around. What a shitshow.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You obviously have never looked deep into how dysfunctional the Democratic party is, and how it even fractured itself 13 years ago.

But you've never answered the question beyond canards: Why is unified Democratic control of WH and Congress a bad thing?

You said "absolute power corrupts absolutely", but you obviously forgot about the Supreme Court, the other branch of government, which the Democrats do not control.

So again, why is unified control of the WH and Congress a bad thing if Democrats achieve it, like they did for the last two years?

You're free to assume whatever negative things you want about me, Ms. LV.

I did answer it: single party systems become too powerful and too corrupt. You're the one that ran from answering a single-party system that works. Much less the question about how you plan to kill off all the RWers.

Wrong again, LV, since the party in power can enlarge SCOTUS if they desire. As it is, SCOTUS rules on the laws, they don't make laws. Which branch makes laws, LV?

You obviously only see and hear what you want to see and hear, LV. That's an indication of stupidity and/or mental defect. I believe you have an average IQ and probably some college education.

 

[LurchAddams]

Hopefully self immolation.

I'm so glad McCarthy's getting humiliated after his bowing down to twump after the j6 attack.

 

[LV426]

Ok, I should have that he was the best possible in this situation.

The problem is if McCarthy wins, he is indebted to all the troglodytes and Nazis who supported him, he isn't indebted to the Democrats and can simply go back on his word if there's any kind of power sharing agreement.

Once he becomes speaker, he can throw that agreement out at any time.

This is the Nazis' problem to solve, Democrats shouldn't do a damn thing.

 

[LV426]

I did answer it: single party systems become too powerful and too corrupt.

OK a few things:

1. Democrats had unified control of Congress and the WH from 2021-2023, are you saying what they did when they were in control was corrupt? If so, how?

2. I don't know what you mean by "too powerful"; if you have unified control of the WH and Congress, you have unified control because that's what the people wanted. So you want to ignore the will of the people?

3. For at least the last 23 years, whenever there has been divided government, there has only been dysfunction and government has been unable to rise to the occasion to deal with crises that emerge...like COVID.

4. It's not a one party system so long as the Judicial Branch is occupied by right wing partisans, starting with SCOTUS; so there isn't a one-party dominant system and you're stupid for being afraid of one.

5. What even is the platform of Centrism beyond feel-good platitudes and smelling your own farts? When Andrew Yang was asked that question, he completely fucking choked. Centrism is the ultimate of political laziness because Centrists don't actually HAVE a platform...all they have is a misguided desire to meet in the middle with people who want to kill LGBTQ youth.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yeah, that's absurd. It's going to be the most expensive election ever. Billions of dollars thrown around. What a shitshow.

The status quo. The result of two extremist parties unwilling to move toward the center. Enjoy, LV. You're part of the problem. LOL

 

[LV426]

Wrong again, LV, since the party in power can enlarge SCOTUS if they desire

Really? How so? By leveraging the power given to them by the voters to reform the court?

Again, why do you want to ignore the will of the people?

If the people voted for unified control of government, shouldn't that be honored?