Cities Around Ukraine Rocked as Russia Launches New Wave of Strikes

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Some American politicians visiting Ukraine during Euromaidan is also not an excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine.
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They fomented a coup, kapo- and the coup led to the overthrow of the democratically-elected pro-Russian Ukrainian president, the slaughter of pro-Russian Ukrainians by Azov neo-Nazis and eight years of shelling the pro-Russian regions resulting in over 14,000 dead.
Your simpering psuedo-patriotism is nauseating- particularly as you are extending it to a foreign country. You should stfu with your Russophobic horseshit . It has all the hallmarks of a warmongering fool, kapo.


Haw, haw...............................haw.
 
moon said:
Diesel


They fomented a coup, kapo- and the coup led to the overthrow of the democratically-elected pro-Russian Ukrainian president, the slaughter of pro-Russian Ukrainians by Azov neo-Nazis and eight years of shelling the pro-Russian regions resulting in over 14,000 dead.
Your simpering psuedo-patriotism is nauseating- particularly as you are extending it to a foreign country. You should stfu with your Russophobic horseshit . It has all the hallmarks of a warmongering fool, kapo.


Haw, haw...............................haw.
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I'd go easier on him, but I certainly believe that it gets tiring to see how few people understand how this war really started. For anyone who isn't well aware of the dark side of Euromaidan, I recommend starting with an article such as this one:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis” : Genuine grassroots revolution or NATO backed coup? Here are the facts to help you decide | Off Guardian

If you get through that one and would like more information on the Euromaidan snipers, I strongly recommend the following article:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence | globalresearch.ca
 
moon said:
Diesel


They fomented a coup, kapo- and the coup led to the overthrow of the democratically-elected pro-Russian Ukrainian president, the slaughter of pro-Russian Ukrainians by Azov neo-Nazis and eight years of shelling the pro-Russian regions resulting in over 14,000 dead.
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That’s a version that is too simplistic.
Phoenyx said:
I'd go easier on him, but I certainly believe that it gets tiring to see how few people understand how this war really started.
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anatta said:
Zelensky has a 10, point peace plan -but wants negotiations by the UN (po-Ukrainian) -
and a "war crimes tribunal"
No territorial concessions

Russia wants the 4 oblasts. non negotiable

Now the war is expanding into Russia proper and Odesa, and what do we do? whistle past armegeddon
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Putin wants a ceasefire, a temporary respite from the ass kicking he is taking, so he can reorganize and rearm for another push to take Kyiv.

Ukraine will never be safe as long as Putin is in power.
 
Phoenyx said:
I'd go easier on him, but I certainly believe that it gets tiring to see how few people understand how this war really started. For anyone who isn't well aware of the dark side of Euromaidan, I recommend starting with an article such as this one:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis” : Genuine grassroots revolution or NATO backed coup? Here are the facts to help you decide | Off Guardian

If you get through that one and would like more information on the Euromaidan snipers, I strongly recommend the following article:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence | globalresearch.ca
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Both Putins and Z’s positions for negotiating are so far apart there is no other option for now than war.
Both are unrealistic.
E.g., Putin demands no more NATO expansion but NATO did not conquer those countries that joined after 1990. They requested membership.
As far as I know nato has always had an open door policy. Even Russia can apply for membership. Putin even stated that he considered it way back when.
So Putin demands NATO change its charter ??!!?
Hate to admit this but the war monger McCain was right:
. Putin's Game Plan Predicted by John McCain in Resurfaced 2014 Clip
“There’s nothing that provokes Putin more than weakness.”
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-mccain-twitter-2014-clip-russia-ukraine-1770823
 
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Cypress said:
Putin wants a ceasefire, a temporary respite from the ass kicking he is taking, so he can reorganize and rearm for another push to take Kyiv.

Ukraine will never be safe as long as Putin is in power.
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I would never trust Putin with a ceasefire, his military violated the last one.
 
anatta said:
poisoning ( assassination attempt ) is not "chemical weapons". and it's Russians doing it to other Russians
( Yushchenko excepted, and he's corrupt like the rest of Ukraine is)
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I suppose you can define any chemical attack as a "poisoning" of the air, but it is still a chemical attack. Putin was willing to make a chemical attack Salisbury, England... a major military area of NATO!!!

AND DAWN STURGESS WAS AS ENGLISH AS THEY COME!!!

Dawn Sturgess died from the nerve agent that Putin tried to murder Sergei Skripal and his wife with. It turns out when you use chemical weapons in heavily populated areas, it kills random people. The right wing makes a big deal that Putin failed to kill Skripal, but forgets that he did kill Sturgess. And he did try to kill Skripal.

Then there is Alexander Litvinenko, who was killed by Putin, again in England, with a radioactive poison that injured others.

We have two chemical attacks on England(under NATO protection), while trump and Bush were president. AND THEY DID NOTHING!!! In fact, trump actively covered it up. There were many other bizarre deaths of Russians and those around them, which could have been chemical attacks... Some in the USA.

Putin has crossed lines, and it is time to admit that.
 
Putin's ' ceasefire ' is a clever move. It has support from the Ukrainian public- who are the beneficiaries. In rejecting a ceasefire Zelensky- and his NATO masters- will have alienated that public, which benefits the Russians who , after all, see pro-Russian Ukrainians as their allies anyway.
So- a victory for Putin without firing a shot. It's the difference between statesmen and comedians.

It doesn't matter if the Russians are forced to retaliate against any Ukrainian attacks. Putin has the high moral ground. Zelensky's best move is to comply with a ceasefire without actually agreeing to one- but it's still a losing position.
 
Walt said:
I suppose you can define any chemical attack as a "poisoning" of the air, but it is still a chemical attack. Putin was willing to make a chemical attack Salisbury, England... a major military area of NATO!!!

AND DAWN STURGESS WAS AS ENGLISH AS THEY COME!!!

Dawn Sturgess died from the nerve agent that Putin tried to murder Sergei Skripal and his wife with. It turns out when you use chemical weapons in heavily populated areas, it kills random people. The right wing makes a big deal that Putin failed to kill Skripal, but forgets that he did kill Sturgess. And he did try to kill Skripal.

Then there is Alexander Litvinenko, who was killed by Putin, again in England, with a radioactive poison that injured others.

We have two chemical attacks on England(under NATO protection), while trump and Bush were president. AND THEY DID NOTHING!!! In fact, trump actively covered it up. There were many other bizarre deaths of Russians and those around them, which could have been chemical attacks... Some in the USA.

Putin has crossed lines, and it is time to admit that.
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LMAO.. invoke Article 5.. :laugh:
You need to do the google -pay attention to the "mass destruction" part.
 
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Ukraine claims hundreds of Russian troops killed in strike; Moscow says 63 died

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An apparent Ukrainian strike in Russian-occupied eastern Ukraine appears to have killed a large number of Russian troops, according to the Ukrainian military and pro-Russian military bloggers and former officials.
The strike took place just after midnight on Sunday, New Year’s Day, on a vocational school housing Russian conscripts in Makiivka, in the Donetsk region, according to both Ukrainian and pro-Russian accounts.

The attack has led to vocal criticism of Moscow’s military from pro-Russian military bloggers, who claimed that the troops lacked protection and were reportedly being quartered next to a large cache of ammunition, which is said to have exploded when Ukrainian HIMARS rockets hit the school.

The Ukrainian military claimed that around 400 Russian soldiers were killed and further 300 were wounded, without directly acknowledging a role. CNN cannot independently confirm those numbers or the weapons used in the strike. Some pro-Russian military bloggers have also estimated that the number of dead and wounded could run in the hundreds.

The Russian defense ministry on Monday acknowledged the attack and claimed that 63 Russian servicemen died, which would make it one of the deadliest single episodes of the war for Moscow’s forces.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/02/europe/ukraine-makiivka-strike-intl/index.html
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Kramatorsk hit in ‘retaliatory strike’: Russia
Moscow has said its army conducted a deadly “retaliatory strike” in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk.

Russia’s defence ministry did not say when the strike occurred, but said “more than 600 Ukrainian servicemen were killed” when two buildings used as barracks were targeted in the city in the eastern region of Donetsk. The casualty number could not immediately be independently verified, but would represent one of the deadliest single attacks since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine began on February 24, 2022.

The ministry said the attack was in response to a Ukrainian strike at the beginning of the year on the Russian-occupied town of Makiivka, in which Russia said 89 of its troops were killed.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...ive-news-bombing-in-eastern-ukraine-kills-one


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Oi !
 
moon said:
Kramatorsk hit in ‘retaliatory strike’: Russia
Moscow has said its army conducted a deadly “retaliatory strike” in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk.

Russia’s defence ministry did not say when the strike occurred, but said “more than 600 Ukrainian servicemen were killed” when two buildings used as barracks were targeted in the city in the eastern region of Donetsk. The casualty number could not immediately be independently verified, but would represent one of the deadliest single attacks since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine began on February 24, 2022.

The ministry said the attack was in response to a Ukrainian strike at the beginning of the year on the Russian-occupied town of Makiivka, in which Russia said 89 of its troops were killed.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...ive-news-bombing-in-eastern-ukraine-kills-one




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KRAMATORSK, Ukraine, Jan 8 (Reuters) - A Russian rocket strike on the Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk caused damage but did not destroy buildings and there were no obvious signs of casualties, a Reuters witness said on Sunday, after Russia said the attack killed 600 Ukrainian soldiers.

Reuters reporters visited the two college dormitories Russia's defence ministry said had been temporarily housing Ukrainian servicemen close to the front line of the war at the time of the overnight strike. Neither appeared to have been directly hit by missiles or seriously damaged. There were no obvious signs that soldiers had been living there and no sign of bodies or traces of blood.
Some of the windows were broken at Hostel No. 47, which stood by a courtyard that had a big crater in it. :whoa:
The other building named by Russia's defence ministry, Hostel No. 28, was entirely intact.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...easefire-vows-press-ahead-ukraine-2023-01-08/
Oi!
 
moon said:
Truth is the first casualty of war.


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Pretty amazing that only a couple of days after a Russian battalion was obliterated Russia was able to do the same. Why not do it , say, weekly?
Do they only kill Ukrainian soldiers after the Ukes kill theirs? Strange way to conduct a war.
Sounds like they’re not really trying to win.
More likely: Appears to me that the fact the Russian MOD comes out with this now, there must be a lot of truth to them having lost a lot in Makiivka.
 
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anonymoose said:
Pretty amazing that only a couple of days after a Russian battalion was obliterated Russia was able to do the same. Why not do it , say, weekly?
Do they only kill Ukrainian soldiers after the Ukes kill theirs? Strange way to conduct a war.
Sounds like they’re not really trying to win.
More likely: Appears to me that the fact the Russian MOD comes out with this now, there must be a lot of truth to them having lost a lot in Makiivka.
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We won't know until it's all over, will we. For sure though, a diet of one-sided propaganda produces uninformed idiots. Russian outlets are banned in the west.
 
moon said:
We won't know until it's all over, will we.
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You don’t find the timing of this announcement by the Russian MoD the least bit suspicious?
But you’re right, nobody will know for sure anything until it’s all over.

I look at the Vietnam war in comparison.
As a kid I remember seeing the weekly casualty comparison on the news. NVA and VC casualties were always 10:1 - 100:1 in favor of the Americans. Every week. Gen. Westmoreland always said we were winning. Always.
But after the Tet Offensive which the Americans had quelled, Walter Cronkite said at the conclusion that it was clear we could not win the war.
 
anonymoose said:
Disagree. Uk will never be safe until it is part of NATO. Putin will assure a nationalist succeeds him.
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lol.. NATO expansion is the underlying cause (along with meddling in the Maidan) of the war -specifically making Ukraine a defacto NATO state prior to the invasion.

Why on earth should we be spending 7% of our defense spending while Europe takes a comparative free ride
on the backs of US taxpayers?

The fun part is Ukraine WILL be in NATO -a nice hot war always waiting to break out because NATO is abutting Russia -we'll be in the middle of defending Ukraines border ( while we cant defend our own) for no strategic US interest

Any idea what NATO will do when we need help with Taiwan?? not much of anything
It's not our war, and we set up the predicate. we reap what we sowed
 
anatta said:
lol.. NATO expansion is the underlying cause (along with meddling in the Maidan) of the war -specifically making Ukraine a defacto NATO state prior to the invasion.

Why on earth should we be spending 7% of our defense spending while Europe takes a comparative free ride
on the backs of US taxpayers?

The fun part is Ukraine WILL be in NATO -a nice hot war always waiting to break out because NATO is abutting Russia -we'll be in the middle of defending Ukraines border ( while we cant defend our own) for no strategic US interest

Any idea what NATO will do when we need help with Taiwan?? not much of anything
It's not our war, and we set up the predicate. we reap what we sowed
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I’m not advocating for Uk to be part of nato. Just stating reality. Putin or his successor will not stop until Ukraine is subjugated.
The only chance for Ukraine independence is to be part of nato.
 
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