Cities Around Ukraine Rocked as Russia Launches New Wave of Strikes

Diesel said:
There is nothing we can do except continue to support Ukraine. Putin is on a kamikaze mission. We just have to hope that he gets assassinated or Ukraine can hold out.
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there is PLENTY we can do, and it means getting Europe to take the lead, and demand accountability
and even pro-forma peace talks
 
anatta said:
*Russia’s attack combined cruise missiles and drones, Ukraine’s military says.

*Ukrainians could spend the New Year holidays in the dark.

*The latest Russian strikes are likely to renew Ukrainian appeals for air defense systems.

*For now, Russia’s economy fares better than expected under Ukraine sanctions.

*Belarus says it shot down a Ukrainian missile, the type Ukraine uses for air defense.

*The Biden administration tries to stop Iran from supplying Russia with drones.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/12/29/world/russia-ukraine-news
The attack comes as Kyiv is striking more boldly at targets deep in Russian territory. Russia’s Defense Ministry said this week that three soldiers were killed after air defenses shot down a Ukrainian drone approaching Engels air base, near Saratov, home to some of Russia’s nuclear-capable strategic bombers that are used to fire cruise missiles at Ukraine.

The governor of Russia’s Saratov region, Roman Busargin, said that Russian air defenses had shot down a drone on Thursday near the city of Engels, damaging a car and garage, but that no one was wounded.

Ukraine maintains a policy of not publicly claiming or denying responsibility for attacks in Russia, even as officials comment approvingly on them.
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Hip hip hooray for Putin:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:, so you're another Putin propaganda promoter.
 
Walt said:
So chemical weapons are OK in your book, so long as they are used in terrorist assassinations? WOW!!!

Putin has repeatedly gone far over the line, and Republicans are for some reason eager to let him.
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poisoning ( assassination attempt ) is not "chemical weapons". and it's Russians doing it to other Russians
( Yushchenko excepted, and he's corrupt like the rest of Ukraine is)
 
Trumpet said:
Just what we need a Putin cheer leader.
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Not supporting NATO's neo-Nazis does not equate to supporting Putin. I'm anti-war. It's illegal. You are bloated with pro-Ukrainian propaganda.

Get your wallet out.


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moon said:
Not supporting NATO's neo-Nazis does not equate to supporting Putin. I'm anti-war. It's illegal. You are bloated with pro-Ukrainian propaganda.

Get your wallet out.
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Ukraine claims hundreds of Russian troops killed in strike; Moscow says 63 died

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An apparent Ukrainian strike in Russian-occupied eastern Ukraine appears to have killed a large number of Russian troops, according to the Ukrainian military and pro-Russian military bloggers and former officials.
The strike took place just after midnight on Sunday, New Year’s Day, on a vocational school housing Russian conscripts in Makiivka, in the Donetsk region, according to both Ukrainian and pro-Russian accounts.

The attack has led to vocal criticism of Moscow’s military from pro-Russian military bloggers, who claimed that the troops lacked protection and were reportedly being quartered next to a large cache of ammunition, which is said to have exploded when Ukrainian HIMARS rockets hit the school.

The Ukrainian military claimed that around 400 Russian soldiers were killed and further 300 were wounded, without directly acknowledging a role. CNN cannot independently confirm those numbers or the weapons used in the strike. Some pro-Russian military bloggers have also estimated that the number of dead and wounded could run in the hundreds.

The Russian defense ministry on Monday acknowledged the attack and claimed that 63 Russian servicemen died, which would make it one of the deadliest single episodes of the war for Moscow’s forces.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/02/europe/ukraine-makiivka-strike-intl/index.html
 
anatta said:
wave that flag. remain ignorant of NATO expansion, enter into a useless border war against Russia, spend a bunch of money and use up our weapons for a corrupt Ukraine
"psychophatic corrupt oligarch"= Zelensky
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I'm not ignorant of NATO expansion. It doesn't give Russia a right to invade Ukraine, which isn't even in NATO. Neither NATO nor the US started a border war with Russia.
 
Diesel said:
I'm not ignorant of NATO expansion. It doesn't give Russia a right to invade Ukraine, which isn't even in NATO. Neither NATO nor the US started a border war with Russia.
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NATO expansion is the predicate for the invasion.
The US actively meddled in Uk politics, and militarized Uk into a de facto NATO state even before the invasion
 
anatta said:
not the point. Europe is coat tailing on our expenditures (aid) and weapons
It's their war, they should be leading the charge
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Ending the war is not the point? Do you realize what you just said? It's more important to stick it to our allies than to end a war that is just as much our problem as it is theirs.
 
anatta said:
NATO expansion is the predicate for the invasion.
The US actively meddled in Uk politics, and militarized Uk into a de facto NATO state even before the invasion
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Weird. That's not what Putin said: to demilitarize and de-Nazify Ukraine. Either way, Russia cannot invade countries because the US is manipulating them, and they know that because they do it themselves.
 
Diesel said:
Ending the war is not the point? Do you realize what you just said? It's more important to stick it to our allies than to end a war that is just as much our problem as it is theirs.
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Ukraine is NOT "our problem" -it's of insignificant strategic importance to the USA
If Russi holds the 4 oblasts, loses them all, or swallows Kyiv it doen't make any damn difference

oh you hear stuff like "The Baltics are next" or "Europe is in danger if Putin succeeded, but in truth Putin cant even get to the Dnieper
 
Diesel said:
Weird. That's not what Putin said: to demilitarize and de-Nazify Ukraine. Either way, Russia cannot invade countries because the US is manipulating them, and they know that because they do it themselves.
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Putin was talking the Azov batallion, and that's for domestic consumption

It's not just meddling in Uk politics, it's being on the ground at the Maidan to foment revolution
(Kagan/McCain/Nuland/Pyatt and a few other neocons)
 
anatta said:
Ukraine is NOT "our problem" -it's of insignificant strategic importance to the USA
If Russi holds the 4 oblasts, loses them all, or swallows Kyiv it doen't make any damn difference

oh you hear stuff like "The Baltics are next" or "Europe is in danger if Putin succeeded, but in truth Putin cant even get to the Dnieper
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Russia has no right to that territory. I'm hearing whispers of 1938 Europe.
 
anatta said:
Putin was talking the Azov batallion, and that's for domestic consumption

It's not just meddling in Uk politics, it's being on the ground at the Maidan to foment revolution
(Kagan/McCain/Nuland/Pyatt and a few other neocons)
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That was his public justification for his illegal acts. A month later when it was evident he was losing the war, he switched over to the liberation of Donbas.

Some American politicians visiting Ukraine during Euromaidan is also not an excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine.
 
Ukraine has the look of a US and Russia proxy war. Putin is being cornered due to his overestimation of his army's power. He should not have gone in. Now he cannot leave.
 
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