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Into the Night said:
He is locked in yet another paradox. He is claiming a precise definition while claiming imprecise definition. He is trying to change the meaning of words again, and he locked himself into another paradox doing it. He is being irrational.
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Nordy is harmless.

He must have dozed his way through eighth grade Civics.

CIA World Fact Book

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Flash said:
That is the opinion of one man on one issue. There were several proposals for choosing the president and there was very little support for popular election and they had nothing to do with slavery.

The following are some quotes from delegates about popular election.

Morris: In wondering whether the revolution has gotten out of hand warned “…the mob (has) begun to think and reason.”

Gerry: In discussing the country’s problems said “...the evil we experience flow from the excesses of democracy.”

Mason: “It would be as unnatural ... to let the people choose the president as it would be to refer a trial of colors to a blind man.”

Hamilton: “The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true in fact. The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge right.”

Sherman: “The people immediately should have as little to do as may be about the government.”

Gouverneur Morris: Morris argued for property qualifications for the voters and stated “give the votes to the people who have no property and they will sell them to the rich who will be able to buy them.”

Dickinson: Dickinson considered property qualifications a “necessary defense against the dangerous influence of those multitudes without property and without principles, with which our country like all others, will in time abound.”

Some actually worried a popular vote would give too much power to the slave states because they could give slaves the vote which their owners could easily control.

Recent revisionist interpretations have given excessive influence to slavery throughout American history which have been debunked by the most respected historians for each period.
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My point still stands, it was not a recent development as you claim. Madison spoke of it and I’m sure he was not the only one.
 
Reps know that the electoral college gives them a better chance of winning - even when they lose the popular vote.

Sadly, they will not give up the electoral college until this fact is no longer true.


BTW - I highly doubt the left would feel differently if the positions were switched.
Though the left will swear up and down that this is not so.
 
Phantasmal said:
My point still stands, it was not a recent development as you claim. Madison spoke of it and I’m sure he was not the only one.
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Yes, it was a factor. But slavery was not the most important issue in creating the electoral college (if that is what you were saying). More recent interpretations have given it a bigger role in all areas of American history.

Madison proposed selecting the president by Congress which would have created the same issue since the slave states only had 3/5 representation.
 
Into the Night said:
No, it doesn't.
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Okay, In California for example, if 51% of the voters vote for the Dem candidate, all 100% of the Electoral votes go to the Democratic candidate.

What happens to the other 49% of the Republican votes in California? They get zero representation. Their vote doesn't matter.
Same in every state except two. That's millions of votes that are essentially ignored.

I rest my case.

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Flash said:
Yes, it was a factor. But slavery was not the most important issue in creating the electoral college (if that is what you were saying).

Madison proposed selecting the president by Congress which would have created the same issue since the slave states only had 3/5 representation.
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The point of my post was to correct you that it was revisionist history when in fact Madison discussed it.
 
Phantasmal said:
The point of my post was to correct you that it was revisionist history when in fact Madison discussed it.
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The revisionist part was the much greater emphasis given slavery in American history literature. I did not mean to imply it had not been an issue earlier, but it was not given such a dominating role.

Read Federalist #68 and the debates at the constitutional convention about choosing the chief executive. It did not seem to be such a big issue at the time.

Hamilton wanted to choose a leader for life.
 
Diesel said:
No, cracker, you don't grow my food. I know y'all like to think that you matter, but the US does not need one single one of you. You would die without the commerce-producing portions of the country.
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Arby the uneducated dumb rube lives in the suburbs of Philly, in the Penn dutch country. Arby grows food?? :laugh:
 
Nordberg said:
That is only true in a precise definition if you want to be a dick. Look up democracies on the planet and you will see America on them. https://ourworldindata.org/democracy You play games instead of debating or even responding to the question.
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what difference does it make?.......if you look up how the US elects its presidentyou will see 'electoral college'.....either the US is not a democracy or the electoral college is one of the ways a democracy elects its president......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
what difference does it make?.......if you look up how the US elects its presidentyou will see 'electoral college'.....either the US is not a democracy or the electoral college is one of the ways a democracy elects its president......
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We are not a pure or “direct” democracy.
 
Diesel said:
Then git. Fuck. How many times do we have to tell you fat, white, uneducated mouth breathers to fuck off? Take the hint already.
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To Everyone:

Is Diesel the Weasel a POE? Or is he simply an excellent example of the Democratic majority?

Why do JPP Left-Wingers and Democrats not call out Diesel on his bigotry? His racism?

Is it because Diesel represents the base ideology of Democratic Party values on tolerance and free expression?

I'm curious because it appears most people come to JPP just to scream, not to make a point. The bigger the screamer, the more stress/problems they are facing...or the more unstable they are. It's a puzzle. LOL
 
PostmodernProphet said:
again what difference does it make.......until it gets changed (which is not likely) we use the electoral college to select our presidents........
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We debate lots of things that are unlikely to change anytime soon. I know you aren’t very smart, but the debate can still be interesting even if change is unlikely.
 
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